[78-L] 78-L Digest, Vol 10, Issue 20

Tue Jul 7 12:40:08 PDT 2009

I bought the Cantor set on eBay about ten years ago, and duly broke one of
the discs with the album before I even listened to it (damn those 78
albums!).  I haven't listened to it in years, but I remember it looking to
be in good condition, but noisy all the same.

Sammy Jones

> The most difficult one to find unbroken was Fibber McGee and Molly.
> They're all
> fragile but that particular press run seemed to have been worse than
> the others.
> 
> dl
> 
> Jeff Sultanof wrote:
> > My parents had the Burns & Allen set, so I first heard it ca. 1960,
> the
> > Cantor set I won at auction about eight years ago.
> >
> > I remember that the discs tended to warp very badly, and one of the
> B&A was
> > cracked.
> >
> > Jeff Sultanof
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 12:42 AM, Michael Biel <mbiel at mbiel.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> From: David Lennick <dlennick at sympatico.ca>
> >>> I'm wondering if distribution was a little spotty..the albums
> >>> credit something called "Monitor" as distributor, a name I
> >>> don't know in this context.
> >> This was their first and only venture.  They were hoping to sell the
> >> albums in non-traditional locations like radio departments and
> stores,
> >> not just record departments and record stores.  Since they were not
> too
> >> successful there wasn't a second release, so they shot their whole
> wad
> >> with this one release.
> >>
> >>> Apollo is credited with manufacturing, which may tell you about
> >>> the quality of the pressings.  dl
> >> Apollo had just bought a pressing plant and did these as contract
> >> pressings on material that was several grades below that of Grey
> Gull.
> >> I've come across articles about these in Broadcasting magazine,
> >> Billboard, Variety, etc.  I think it was George Blacker who told me
> he
> >> had gotten the whole set as a real cheap close-out in perhaps Macy's
> for
> >> perhaps 5 bucks total.  I think I have only three and a few loose
> discs.
> >>
> >>
> >> Mike Biel  mbiel at mbiel.com
> >>
> >>
> >> Bill McClung wrote:
> >>> The first one I found in Austin several years ago and then I knew
> to look
> >>> for them and have just found them in various places since. The last
> one I
> >>> bought at "auction" in the last year.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> [Original Message]
> >>>> From: Robert M. Bratcher Jr. <bratcher at pdq.net>
> >>>> To: 78-L Mail List <78-l at 78online.com>
> >>>> Date: 7/6/2009 10:31:11 PM
> >>>> Subject: Re: [78-L] Non-Transcription OTR on 78 (was Decca
> Specialty
> >>> Series(DAU-x))
> >>>> At 09:09 PM 7/6/2009, you wrote:
> >>>>> Typical for 1947 small labels..not as noisy as Musicraft. I have
> all of
> >>> them
> >>>>> and clean ones sound as good as can be expected. They also tend
> to have
> >>> very
> >>>>> bad inner groove distortion.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Yes I have two of each..for the simple reason that they're also
> >>> incredibly
> >>>>> breakable.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> dl
> >>>> Where did you find them?
> >>>>
> >>>>> Jeff Sultanof wrote:
> >>>>>> Noisy based on the Burns & Allen and Cantor sets, both of which
> I
> >>>>> had at one
> >>>>>> time.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Jeff Sultanof
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I'd like to find these sets one day....
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Jack Benny
> >>>>>>> Edger Bergan & Charlie McCarthy
> >>>>>>> Fibber McGee & Molly
> >>>>>>> Duffy's Tavern
> >>>>>>> Burns & Allen
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> What are the pressings like? Are they fairly quiet or noisy?
> >>>>>>>
> 
> 
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> Message: 11
> Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 08:59:33 -0700
> From: buster <busterdog at mac.com>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Nipper Building turns 100
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> 
> and here's a link to the article:
> 
> http://www.philly.com/inquirer/local/20090707_Camden_fundraiser_to_cele
> brate_birthplace_of_recorded_sound.html
> 
> On Jul 7, 2009, at 5:02 AM, Steve Ramm wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > Big article in today's Philly newspaper on the 100 anniversary of
> > Building 17. Nothing really new info-wise but worth sharing with you.
> >
> > Camden fundraiser to celebrate birthplace of recorded sound |
> > Philadelphia Inquirer | 07/07/2009
> >
> > Steve
> > _________________________________________________________________
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> Message: 12
> Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 12:15:07 -0400
> From: "David Weiner" <djwein at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Nipper Building turns 100
> To: "'78-L Mail List'" <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
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> 
> Thanks, Steve - I found the article quite interesting. Had no idea that
> the
> HIS MASTER'S VOICE IN AMERICA book was so rare - they used to sell
> copies at
> the Museum of TV & Radio in NY, which is where I got mine.
> 
> Dave W.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> 
> and here's a link to the article:
> 
> http://www.philly.com/inquirer/local/20090707_Camden_fundraiser_to_cele
> brate
> _birthplace_of_recorded_sound.html
> 
> On Jul 7, 2009, at 5:02 AM, Steve Ramm wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > Big article in today's Philly newspaper on the 100 anniversary of
> > Building 17. Nothing really new info-wise but worth sharing with you.
> >
> > Camden fundraiser to celebrate birthplace of recorded sound |
> > Philadelphia Inquirer | 07/07/2009
> >
> > Steve
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 13
> Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 12:24:50 -0400
> From: kunst at email.unc.edu
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Large University Throwing away records?
> To: 78-l at klickitat.78online.com
> Message-ID: <20090707122450.69iyif4racwog480 at webmail4.isis.unc.edu>
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> 
> Just a quick note to point out that the John Edwards Memorial
> Collection actually was transferred to a the Southern Folklife
> Collection at UNC-Chapel Hill, where it is very much intact and is used
> quite heavily by researchers. I know there is no shortage of horror
> stories, but this is not one of them.
> Franz
> 
> > At ARSC we were given a very impressive presentation of the donation
> and
> > digitization of a major West Coast American Folk Music collection at
> > UCLA.  During the Q&A I reminded them (and informed the generally
> > younger audience who had never known) that they were the institution
> > that closed down and sold off the even more impressive Jonathan
> Edwards
> > Memorial Foundation country archive.
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 14
> Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 12:35:57 -0400
> From: David Lennick <dlennick at sympatico.ca>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Large University Throwing away records?
> To: 78-L Mail List <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> Message-ID: <4A53796D.6070408 at sympatico.ca>
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> 
> And Bowling Green State University's collection is alive and well.
> 
> dl
> 
> kunst at email.unc.edu wrote:
> > Just a quick note to point out that the John Edwards Memorial
> > Collection actually was transferred to a the Southern Folklife
> > Collection at UNC-Chapel Hill, where it is very much intact and is
> used
> > quite heavily by researchers. I know there is no shortage of horror
> > stories, but this is not one of them.
> > Franz
> >
> >> At ARSC we were given a very impressive presentation of the donation
> and
> >> digitization of a major West Coast American Folk Music collection at
> >> UCLA.  During the Q&A I reminded them (and informed the generally
> >> younger audience who had never known) that they were the institution
> >> that closed down and sold off the even more impressive Jonathan
> Edwards
> >> Memorial Foundation country archive.
> > ____________________________________________
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 15
> Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 10:17:28 -0700
> From: "Michael Biel" <mbiel at mbiel.com>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Large University Throwing away records?
> To: "78-L Mail List" <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> Message-ID:
> 	<20090707101728.b192746a6fddb703927f95bcf5fd261f.2d1185d6ba.wbe at e
> mail.secureserver.net>
> 
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> 
> kunst at email.unc.edu wrote:
> >> Just a quick note to point out that the John Edwards Memorial
> >> Collection actually was transferred to a the Southern Folklife
> >> Collection at UNC-Chapel Hill, where it is very much intact
> >> and is used quite heavily by researchers. I know there is no
> >> shortage of horror  stories, but this is not one of them. Franz
> 
> Yes I do know this because I have been there, but if it happened once
> at
> UCLA, how do we know that in 20 or so years from now it won't happen
> again to this new collection.
> 
> From: David Lennick <dlennick at sympatico.ca>
> > And Bowling Green State University's collection is alive and well. dl
> 
> Although the Pop Culture program at BGSU is a major force at the
> university, the record collection is alive and well because Bill Schurk
> is alive and well, but approaching retirement age.  JEMF was also
> considered alive and well until UCLA dropped its support.  And who
> would
> have guessed three years ago what is happening to Belfer at Syracuse?
> 
> 
> I do not trust the administrations at academic institutions.  They are
> not academics, despite the degrees they might hold.  Rarely do they
> have
> any research background, despite the research they might have done
> (begrudgingly) to get their degree.  The university is not controlled
> by
> the faculty or the staff, it is run by a board of
> businessmen/politicians/moneysources, and even if they reluctantly
> allow
> a faculty member and a student on the board, those two quickly find
> they
> are outnumbered and outinfluenced by the A-list personalities on the
> board who can easily bamboozle these two
> fish-out-of-the-water-and-out-of-their-league and convince them to go
> along with the powerful crowd because they cannot get their way anyway
> and why rock the boat and risk getting a reputation of being a rebel
> and
> ruin your chances for your future.  Just look at what is happening at
> Harvard right now.  They care about NOTHING but their endowment which
> is
> still rich beyond all imagination but they are laying off nearly
> three-hundred because it has shrunk a few percent.  They're not broke,
> just less rich.  Students and faculty be damned, that endowment must be
> grown!!!  Maybe that's why they put their record collection in the
> dumpsters.
> 
> I'd been in higher education since 1964, and I never ever was
> disappointed in distrusting academic administrations.  They have always
> lived down to my low expectations.
> 
> Michael Biel, Ph.D., Professor-Emeritus
> 
> 
> 
> >> At ARSC we were given a very impressive presentation of the donation
> and
> >> digitization of a major West Coast American Folk Music collection at
> >> UCLA. During the Q&A I reminded them (and informed the generally
> >> younger audience who had never known) that they were the institution
> >> that closed down and sold off the even more impressive Jonathan
> Edwards
> >> Memorial Foundation country archive.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 16
> Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 10:32:06 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Dan Van Landingham <danvanlandingham at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Large University Throwing away records?
> To: 78-L Mail List <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> Message-ID: <445365.90263.qm at web56607.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
> 
> Not to change the subject but what can you tell me about the?78 rpm
> recordings that came
> from the Library of Congress?I acquired several of them some months
> back at a garage
> sale here in North Bend,Oregon.They were just given to me.One was a
> recording by Lang-
> ston Hughes.
> 
> --- On Tue, 7/7/09, David Lennick <dlennick at sympatico.ca> wrote:
> 
> 
> From: David Lennick <dlennick at sympatico.ca>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Large University Throwing away records?
> To: "78-L Mail List" <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> Date: Tuesday, July 7, 2009, 11:35 AM
> 
> 
> And Bowling Green State University's collection is alive and well.
> 
> dl
> 
> kunst at email.unc.edu wrote:
> > Just a quick note to point out that the John Edwards Memorial
> > Collection actually was transferred to a the Southern Folklife
> > Collection at UNC-Chapel Hill, where it is very much intact and is
> used
> > quite heavily by researchers. I know there is no shortage of horror
> > stories, but this is not one of them.
> > Franz
> >
> >> At ARSC we were given a very impressive presentation of the donation
> and
> >> digitization of a major West Coast American Folk Music collection at
> >> UCLA.? During the Q&A I reminded them (and informed the generally
> >> younger audience who had never known) that they were the institution
> >> that closed down and sold off the even more impressive Jonathan
> Edwards
> >> Memorial Foundation country archive.
> > ____________________________________________
> 
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> Message: 17
> Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 12:35:30 -0500
> From: "joe at salerno.com" <jsalerno at earthlink.net>
> Subject: [78-L] 107 WBS ETs
> To: 78-l <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> Message-ID: <4A538762.1050204 at earthlink.net>
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> 
> for $200. If there was some OTR in them I would snatch these up, but
> alas, music library only it appears.
> 
> Some of you may be interested in these.
> 
> Joe Salerno
> 
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=350222848410&ssPageN
> ame=ADME:B:SS:US:1123
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> Message: 18
> Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 07:40:18 -1000
> From: Malcolm Rockwell <malcolm at 78data.com>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Large University Throwing away records?
> To: 78-L Mail List <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> Message-ID: <4A538882.6070702 at 78data.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> 
> Michael Biel wrote:
> > kunst at email.unc.edu wrote:
> >
> >>> Just a quick note to point out that the John Edwards Memorial
> >>> Collection actually was transferred to a the Southern Folklife
> >>> Collection at UNC-Chapel Hill, where it is very much intact
> >>> and is used quite heavily by researchers. I know there is no
> >>> shortage of horror  stories, but this is not one of them. Franz
> >>>
> >
> > Yes I do know this because I have been there, but if it happened once
> at
> > UCLA, how do we know that in 20 or so years from now it won't happen
> > again to this new collection.
> >
> >
> <snip>
> 
> *******
> 
> Is that what happened to the huge Gennett collection they had, catalog
> of which can still be found on the internet?
> Malcolm
> 
> 
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