[78-L] Glass Base 78s

[Milan P Milovanovic]

Michael,

sure, all those photographs attached here belong to the very same disc.

I saw also one compilation of Hungarian jazz where also Decelith foils are 
shown as recording medium. I'm not quite sure if these Hungarian discs are 
translucent or non-transparent.

As I said earlier, I also saw black non transparent Decelith discs in 
Belgrade from some collector. They were used in radio station for program 
recordings.

Best wishes,

Milan






----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Biel" <mbiel at mbiel.com>
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Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 4:19 AM
Subject: Re: [78-L] Glass Base 78s


> The Decelith discs I have seen and have all seemed to be one solid
> non-laminated disc.  Were the top three pictures clearly showing
> laminations at the rim chips also Decelith?  The ones I've seen are very
> dark and are only slightly translucent.  There was another disc type
> I've seem from the German war years is three layer disc with a pure
> white center core and black recording surfaces.  They also have paper
> labels but I forget the brand name.  The black surfaces have an
> unfortunate tendency to stick together and peel off of the white core.
> I saw a large stack of these discs stuck together at the Vienna
> Phonogrammarchiv waiting for some way to be discovered to unstick them
> in such a way that the black surfaces separate from each other rather
> than separate from the white core.
>
> I wonder if Lennick's disc is an attempt at pressing on a Decelith or a
> cutting.
>
> Mike Biel  mbiel at mbiel.com
>
>
>
>
> From: "Milan P Milovanovic" <milanpmilovanovic4 at gmail.com>
>
>
> Well, here:
>
> http://i667.photobucket.com/albums/vv34/mmilovan2009/P8180076-1.jpg
> http://i667.photobucket.com/albums/vv34/mmilovan2009/P8180078-1.jpg
> http://i667.photobucket.com/albums/vv34/mmilovan2009/P8180079.jpg
>
> you can see that it is plastic core with two recordable "sides" above
> and
> below, while on these pictures:
>
> http://i667.photobucket.com/albums/vv34/mmilovan2009/P8180080.jpg
> http://i667.photobucket.com/albums/vv34/mmilovan2009/P8180081.jpg
> http://i667.photobucket.com/albums/vv34/mmilovan2009/P8180084.jpg
> http://i667.photobucket.com/albums/vv34/mmilovan2009/scan1.jpg
> http://i667.photobucket.com/albums/vv34/mmilovan2009/scan2.jpg
>
>
> it can be seen label design. There is only one side with label marked
> "Decelith", and the other side is blank. Also, translucency of such disc
> is
> easily visible as well.
>
> These discs are 10" in diameter and shown here is inside start recorded
>
> performance, different on each side. I suspect that origin of such discs
> is
> radio station somewhere in Croatia or Bosnia. Radio Belgrade station
> used
> black Decelith foils during WWII. After the war such Decelith discs
> (with
> Nazi speeches and so on) were dumped off from the station, with other
> side
> not recorded. Early recording enthusiasts in Belgrade used other blank
> side
> to record jazz performances of some musicians as early as 1945 or 1946.
> on
> amateur equipment they bought before WWII. Also, they used thick
> celluloid
> roentgen films for such occasion with equal success.
>
> Best wishes,
> Milan
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "David Lennick" <dlennick at sympatico.ca>
> To: "78-L Mail List" <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 6:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Glass Base 78s
>
>
>> I've mentioned this item before and have never seen an explanation. I 
>> have
>> an odd pressing, made on some kind of stiff translucent vinyl which is
>> variable in color (bronze, grey, clear in spots). It's Victor 20-1636B, 
>> Charlie
>> Spivak's "Only Another Boy and Girl". The catalog number appears in the 
>> run-out as
>> it would on a regular pressing (raised) and in the outer edge 
>> (scratched).
>> The disc is just over 11 inches in diamater but has four flat edges (and 
>> four
>> rounded ones), is pressed only on one side but has the sunken indentation
>> for the label on both sides.
>>
>> Anybody ever seen one of these?
>>
>> dl
>>
>> Milan P Milovanovic wrote:
>>> Just to make one point clear: Decelith foils (blank discs) were used as
>>> early as 1938. for recording in various (portable or studio) machines.
>>> These discs sometimes were translucent with flexible (vinyl ?) core and 
>>> two
>>> sides. Sometimes only one side was used to record.
>>>
>>> If someone is interested I can post some photos of such disc.
>>>
>>> Best wishes,
>>>
>>> Milan
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Michael Biel" <mbiel at mbiel.com>
>>> To: "78-L Mail List" <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
>>> Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 10:26 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [78-L] Glass Base 78s
>>>
>>>
>>> It
>>>> wouldn't be vinyl (although the Germans were using vinyl for recording
>>>> discs during the war, known as Decelith.)
>>>>
>
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