[78-L] [ARSCLIST] Fats Waller aircheck set

[Thomas Stern]

DOCUMENT Records, formerly of Austria, now in the UK is
a full price label.  Primarily pre-war blues, but
also has an Austrian folk series, Country music series,
and some jazz.  They have not gotten high marks for
audio quality, though the new owner seems to be attempting
to remedy that.
DOCUMENTS is a German based company, with multiple
labels, extremely inexpensive multiple cd sets.
Classical, jazz, blues.  Discussions on these lists
indicate they 'appropriate' material from other
full price reissue labels, dub from lp's etc. with
little or no sound restoration or production.

Sorry for my loose language - I tend to call anything
not reissued by the original (or successor thereto) label
nor licensed from them a bootleg.  I suppose the
distinction between boots, pirates, counterfeits, etc.
may be useful......

Best wishes, Thomas.

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Thomas Stern wrote:
>   My recollection is it was large (10 cd) & cheap (a few dollars per disc
> i.e. $20-$40 price range).
> Perhaps the "Documents" or similar bootleg label.
>

Documents is not a cheap label.  Their discs are relatively expensive.
ProperBox is more in the category you are discussing.

And be careful how you toss around the term "bootleg".  This term ONLY
refers to the unauthorized issuing of recordings not meant to be issued
or not yet issued by the original owner.  A "Pirate" issue is an
unauthorized re-issue of a previously issued recording.  That is
generally what Documents, JSP, Naxos, etc. are doing, but it is legal in
their countries because of the sensible copyright laws there. Of course
when unissued alternate takes and unissued broadcast air-checks are
included, those tracks are bootlegs.  To round out the legal terms,
"Counterfeit" is an unauthorized issue that intends to look exactly like
the original legitimate issue, often intended to fool the purchaser to
think they are buying a legit original.

ProperBox, by the way, is one of the companies which are doubly pirates
because they are not only reissueing original issued recordings, they
are sourcing much of their work from recent re-masterings from other
companies such as Naxos, DirectSource. JSP, Documents, and even the
major labels.  That's why their boxes are so cheap.

Mike Biel    mbiel at mbiel.com
>   Not JSP, which is doing a complete edition of the commercial (studio)
> recordings in multiple 4 or 5-cd volumes.  Don't think JSP includes live
> recordings????
>   The recent SonyBMG (UK) 3-cd may have some live cuts - iirc from
previous
> posts.  Wonder if
> they are "testing the waters" with that series?
>   Thanks, Thomas.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:  Don Cox
>
>
> Hello Thomas
>
> On 01/04/2009, Thomas Stern wrote:
>
>> A while ago, there was discussion of a cheap box set
>> of Fats Waller broadcasts.
>> Does someone have the label/catalog number handy?
>> Is there documentation included in the set or online?
>> Thanks!
>> Best wishes, Thomas.
>>
>
> Are you thinking of the 2-disc set called "Complete Associated
Transcription
> Session
> 1935-1939" ?
>
> This is on the Storyville label.
>
> Naxos have a pair of separate CDs of transcriptions, but their discs lack
> alternate takes.
>
> Regards
> --
> Don Cox
> doncox at enterprise.net

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