[78-L] Teddy Roosevelt 1912 Campaign Speech

[bruce78rpm at comcast.net]

we were not hearing Teddy, we were hearing 
your machine's horn's interpretation of Teddy, coupled with the varying 
sound imparted by the moving of your camera-mounted microphone. It's a 
fun video, but only an approximation of what Teddy actually sounded like 
or what the recording sounded like. 

Yes, and I will be sure and put that caveat on each and every future video of these wonderful old acoustic phonographs playing these wonderful original old acoustic records for folks to enjoy. Maybe I should than change my screen name to Killjoy78rpm. 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Biel " < mbiel @ mbiel .com> 
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Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2009 6:56:37 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [78-L] Teddy Roosevelt 1912 Campaign Speech 

bruce78rpm at comcast.net wrote: 
> Yes what a complete fool that so-called collector is to play an original Acoustic Victor record from 1912, which was originally made to be played on an Victor Victrola with a changable steel needle system, with a fresh unplayed steel needle, actually having the gall to play it on an old period Crank Victor with a fresh steel needle !! The nerve of some people. Oh wait, that's me!! 

> I've Actually been destroying all these records for the past 20 years , changing the needles after every play, and doing everything it says in the original instructions to extend the life of the records. 
That is not extending the life of the record, it is merely extending the 
shortening of the life of the record. 

> Many of the records in my collection have been played hundreds and hundreds of times with fresh steel needles, 
When Victor was considering releasing a record they would subject it to 
a wear test. It would be played 50 times (or some other amount 
depending on the quality they were looking for. It is possible they 
would play operatic records for 100 times.) to make sure it did not 
wear out prematurely. That is all they expected people to play the 
records for. 

> and still sound great. 

How do you know? You're not listening to the record, you're listening 
to the phonograph. You haven't heard what the record sounds like. And 
you have no means of comparison. Wear develops incrementally and is 
usually not immediately noticeable unless something is drastically 
wrong. Have you ever taken a new condition record and only played HALF 
of a side repeatedly? Say, 50 or 100 or "hundreds 
of times and then compared that portion of the record with the unplayed 
part of the same record?? That is the only means of comparison you can 
have. 

> I know there are folks who cringe everytime they see this, but to me it is part of the pleasure of being a collector of both the old acoustic records and the old acoustic machines they were intended to be played on. 

In 1912 it was intended that you would travel in a Model T Ford or some 
other 1912 contraption. They're fun to ride in, but only to ride in a 
1912 car. It is not the preferred way to travel now. It's fun to play 
a record on an old wind-up but that is not the preferred way to hear the 
recording now. 

> Actually I cringe at the thought of being historical 
> incorrect and playing Teddy on modern electric phonograph with an light tone arm and modern needle system. It is a debate we can have all day and no one wins in the end. 

Yes, there is a clear and decisive finale. If you want to listen to the 
PHONOGRAPH, you play the records on old phonographs. If you want to 
listen to the RECORDING, you play it on non-destructive restoration 
equipment. Playing a record on an acoustical phonograph imparts a 
measurable and audible modification of the sound of the recording. The 
horn resonances are there for each and every record played on it, 
creating a distinctive sound of the machine on top of the sound of each 
and every record. Proper restoration equipment does not add any 
distinctive sound to the record and if manipulated properly can overcome 
the distinctive resonances that the acoustical recording system imparted 
onto the sound the performers created in the studio. 

> It's what ever makes you happy. Not what makes the other guy happy. 
> 

But your claim of non-destructiveness to the record is demonstratively 
false. And on your video we were not hearing Teddy, we were hearing 
your machine's horn's interpretation of Teddy, coupled with the varying 
sound imparted by the moving of your camera-mounted microphone. It's a 
fun video, but only an approximation of what Teddy actually sounded like 
or what the recording sounded like. 

Mike Biel mbiel @ mbiel .com 

> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "David Lennick " < dlennick @ sympatico .ca> 
> To: "78-L Mail List" <78-l@ klickitat .78online.com> 
> Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2009 6:24:55 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Teddy Roosevelt 1912 Campaign Speech 
> 
> Big Steel always wins. 
> 
> dl 
> 
> Michael Biel wrote: 
> 
>> simmonssomer wrote: 
>> 
>>> A wonderful recording. 
>>> Nothing much has changed! 
>>> 
>>> Al Simmons 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> Yeah, it is too bad that Teddy and the workers of his day were set upon 
>> by the big money bosses. 
>> 
>> And it is too bad that this rare record of Teddy was set upon by a steel 
>> needle on this old acoustical machine. 
>> 
>> Mike Biel mbiel @ mbiel .com 
>> 
>> 
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: <bruce78rpm at comcast.net> 
>>> Here for all you 78rpm History Buffs is an original 1912 Record of Teddy 
>>> Roosevelt and one of his Campaign Speeches as the nominee of the Bull 
>>> Moose Party that year. I have included a photo of Teddy on his way to the 
>>> Progressive (Bull Moose) convention on the back of his favorite Moose. 
>>> 
>>> http :// www . youtube .com/watch?v=y2R9-mo4FNQ 
>>> 
>> 
>> 

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