[78-L] Klezmer [FWD]

[Mike Harkin]

An online yiddish-english dictionary defines 'klezmer' as 'musician'.
I haven't check etymology from other sources....

Mike in Plovdiv


--- On Mon, 1/26/09, yves francois <aprestitine at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: yves francois <aprestitine at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Klezmer
> To: "78-L Mail List" <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 5:38 AM
> Taylor
> It may of been Tarras that was offended by the term. In the
> later 1970's younger musicians came back to the
> Freileich music in the 1970's they used the previously
> pejorative term Klezmer, something Tarras (if I recall in
> something I read or heard in a documentary years ago) was a
> bit surprised on. 
>     The term was like jazz, a term that became a positive
> term over time, but also a bit like "space age bachelor
> pad music" (eg Esquivel and the like, yet another genre
> that I enjoy very much), where the term was coined after the
> fact, in Klezmer's case it was somewhere between the
> two.
>     I believe at one point in time he (Tarras) was
> considered to be the Goodman of Freileich /Kelzmer music. He
> certainly was a complete musician, and his recordings show a
> clear scene of jazz timing and technique, even if he really
> did not play jazz per se (here I can only talk about the
> recordings I have heard and what i have read about him)
> Yves Francois (who enjoys playing a Freileich when the
> occasion arises)
> 
> --- On Sun, 1/25/09, Taylor Bowie
> <bowiebks at isomedia.com> wrote:
> 
> > From: Taylor Bowie <bowiebks at isomedia.com>
> > Subject: Re: [78-L] Klezmer
> > To: "78-L Mail List"
> <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> > Date: Sunday, January 25, 2009, 11:52 PM
> > That is interesting...hard to imagine anyone thinking
> that
> > somebody like 
> > Dave Tarras was anything but first class,  all the
> way!
> > 
> > Maybe the word started out the same way the American
> word
> > "jazz" 
> > did...happily the original negative connotations are
> all
> > long gone.
> > 
> > Taylor
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "yves francois"
> > <aprestitine at yahoo.com>
> > To: "78-L Mail List"
> > <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 6:12 PM
> > Subject: Re: [78-L] Klezmer was:Newspeak (was:Racially
> 
> > OffensiveLanguage/Robeson)
> > 
> > 
> > > Mike
> > > A very happy new year to you
> > > Was not klezmer was originally a designation of
> an
> > itinerant Jewish folk 
> > > musician (a sort of "back alley
> woodsman"),
> > I seem to recall that some of 
> > > the survivors did not like the term at all and
> saw it
> > to mean a second 
> > > class musician.
> > > All the best
> > > Yves
> > >
> > >
> > > --- On Sun, 1/25/09, Michael Biel
> > <mbiel at mbiel.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> From: Michael Biel <mbiel at mbiel.com>
> > >> Subject: [78-L] Newspeak (was:Racially
> Offensive
> > Language/Robeson)
> > >> To: "78-L Mail List"
> > <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> > >> Date: Sunday, January 25, 2009, 6:55 PM
> > >>
> > >> Closer to our theme of 78s is another word
> which
> > seems to
> > >> have popped up
> > >> for no reason -- Klezmer.  For the entire 78
> era
> > and well
> > >> thru most of
> > >> the LP era, this music was referred to as
> > Freileich.  This
> > >> was seen in
> > >> song titles, album titles, musical
> descriptions on
> > record
> > >> labels, liner
> > >> notes, and record catalogs. and even in the
> names
> > of
> > >> musical groups.
> > >> Then suddenly in the mid-80s there was a
> > documentary on PBS
> > >> about Henry
> > >> Sapoznik and several musical groups and this
> > mystery word
> > >> Klezmer shows
> > >> up over and over for the first time.   What
> was
> > wrong with
> > >> the word
> > >> Freileich  which we already knew???  In the
> recent
> > book
> > >> about Jewish LPs
> > >> "And We Shall Know Them By The Trail Of
> Their
> > >> Vinyl" they use the term
> > >> Freileich and show many records that used
> that
> > term in the
> > >> 50s -70s.
> > >>
> > >> Mike Biel  mbiel at mbiel.com
> > >>
> > >>
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