[78-L] Columbia question

[Michael Biel]

I can't read the little letters on the right side of the label just
under the gold stripe, but that is the code for the printing date of the
labels.  Since there was probably only one pressing of this record, that
would be close to the date.  I've heard of this record before, the
notation of Gargled by Arthur Fields.  It might have been in a Jim Walsh
column.

Mike Biel  mbiel at mbiel.com

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [78-L] Columbia question
From: "Royal Pemberton" <ampex354 at gmail.com>
Date: Mon, January 12, 2009 11:36 pm
To: "78-L Mail List" <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>

I just looked in my NTN--looks like 1917 or 1918.

On 1/13/09, Andrea Walsh <petquality1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks again David!
>
> On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 8:34 PM, David Lennick <dlennick at sympatico.ca>wrote:
>
>> Feel free..I was just quoting Tim Brooks. There was nothing more specific
>> to
>> date this, and he didn't provide information on the items from around
>> March
>> 1920. My copy of "Note the Notes" is buried somewhere around here..it
>> might
>> or
>> might not put the label and its patent info into a specific time period.
>>
>> dl
>>
>>
>> Andrea Walsh wrote:
>> > Oh, thanks David, this is the kind of info I was hoping for. A ballpark
>> > recording/release date and perhaps some info on the numbering question.
>> >
>> > Much appreciated, is it ok if I quote you in my post tomorrow?
>> >
>> > Andrea
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 7:48 PM, David Lennick <dlennick at sympatico.ca
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >> Per the Columbia Master Books, the 51500 series was "probably a
>> >> continuation of
>> >> the 16000 twelve-inch trials and personals series. Some interesting
>> tests
>> >> involving 'transmitters' [sic] took place in this series in March,
>> >> 1920.
>> >> Could
>> >> have been a radio hookup, or possibly an early attempt at electrical
>> >> recording?
>> >> [See also the 63000s.]
>> >>
>> >> My guess is that this was something recorded for a Columbia convention
>> or
>> >> sales
>> >> meeting or other corporate event..definitely not a commercial issue,
>> >> but
>> >> they'd
>> >> have to have pressed a few copies even if only one was wanted. Or maybe
>> all
>> >> the
>> >> attendees got a souvenir copy.
>> >>
>> >> dl
>> >>
>> >> Glenn Longwell wrote:
>> >>> Very curious. Looks like a special issue but checking Sutton's
>> Columbia
>> >> Recording and Release dates booklet there's no information about this
>> block
>> >> of matrix numbers. The last 12" ones stopped at 49999 then went to
>> 98000.
>> >> In fact the only mention of anything in the 50000's was 59400 series.
>> I'll
>> >> be interested to hear it when posted. Any mention of dates on the
>> >> recording?
>> >>> Glenn
>> >>>
>> >>> --- On Mon, 1/12/09, Andrea Walsh <petquality1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> From: Andrea Walsh <petquality1 at gmail.com>
>> >>> Subject: [78-L] Columbia question
>> >>> To: "78-L Mail List" <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
>> >>> Date: Monday, January 12, 2009, 7:44 PM
>> >>>
>> >>> Hello everyone-
>> >>>
>> >>> I need more info on this record: Johnson and Fields: Columbia
>> Convention
>> >>> Camouflage
>> >>>
>> >>> label photo here:
>> >>>
>> >>
>> http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f126/petquality/more%20pet%20pix/columbiaconventioncamolabel.jpg
>> >>> I am confused about the lack of usual numbers on the label- what does
>> >> this
>> >>> mean? Was it not a commercial issue? It is a 12" Columbia, numbered
>> >>> Columbia 51637 & 51639 on respective sides.
>> >>>
>> >>> I'm posting the thing tomorrow but would appreciate any additional
>> >>> info
>> >>> anyone can provide.
>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks!
>> >>>
>> >>> Andrea
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