[78-L] Toscanini LMEs

[Michael Biel]

David Lennick wrote:
> Michael Biel wrote:
>   
>> We have also been totally concerned with when the LPs were ISSUED.  How 
>> often do we consider issue dates of 78s??!!!  
>>     
>
> Constantly, when I need to prove that a given record is over 50 years old. Gart 
> may not be bang on the money but he's better than nothing for the period from 
> 1940 to 1960.
>
>   
>> The earliest discographies 
>> in the 30s and 40s were catalog number based and did tend to place 
>> records in release order.  Once we worked in matrix number order there 
>> was very little interest in release order, although I have occasionally 
>> mentioned that the influence of a record on the public can be noted more 
>> from release date than recording date. 

>>  None of us have thought to use 
>> something like Goldmine's Standard Catalog of American Records!  Looking 
>> at it there is some basic info of year of release of copies on different 
>> label formats and this would show when an (e) first came out, but we 
>> don't trust their research, do we!!!!!!
>>     
>
> We don't trust Whitburn either, but he had to base his fake charts and dates on 
> SOMETHING, even if it was reports in Billboard which were probably hyped by the 
> reporting record dealers. It still gives a rough idea of when a given record 
> was on the market. Once there are dates for "first charting", you're probably 
> within a couple of weeks of the disc's first appearance on the market. 

The dates for first charting can be different depending on the depth of 
the chart being used -- Top 40, Top 100, Top 200 bubbling under top 
100.  The longer the chart the closer to release date, even for records 
that eventually became #1.  But I would then look at ads and at the new 
release listings and reviews.  They might pull the release date back to 
an earlier date than the charts. 
> It's 
> also interesting to check the dates for hits and their cover versions. 
> Sometimes they're surprisingly close, so the song pluggers were doing their jobs.
>
> None of this applies for classical, obviously.
>
> dl
>   

Ads can give so much great release date info, especially including 
classical.  As I mentioned, the Sunday NY Times was great for this.  
During the late 50s to mid 60s I devoured the Section 2 ads each week, 
looking for what was on sale at Goodys, Korvettes, etc, but also at the 
record company ads as the new innovations were announced. 

>> Mike Biel  mbiel at mbiel.com
>>
>> David Lennick wrote:
>>     
>>> S&R Pinsker wrote:
>>>   
>>>       
>>>> Will somebody please list the three Toscanini LME discs?
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> rdp
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>> LME 2408: DVORAK: NEW WORLD SYMPHONY
>>> LME 2409: RESPIGHI: PINES & FOUNTAINS OF ROME
>>> LME 2410: MUSSORGSKY: PICTURES AT AN EXHIBITION
>>>
>>> Apparently they began working on this as early as the summer of 1958, per the 
>>> article (by Jack Arthur Somer, the RCA engineer charged with the project).
>>>
>>> dl
>>>   
>>>       
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