[78-L] Matrix numbers [Victor, anyway]

[Royal Pemberton]

D=8", E=14"?  I'd have thought just the opposite, as the 14 inch
records were produced in 1903 and 1904 and the 8 inch records didn't
appear until 1906.

On 12/7/08, Michael Biel <mbiel at mbiel.com> wrote:
> P G C wrote:
>> I have here some pre 1910 red seal discs. they have the catalog number and
>> the matrix? pressed on the shellac.
>> But I also can see a samall crown symbol besides the caltalog numbrer,
>> since they are single sided an "angel" like logo graved (trade Mark).
>>
>> One label (paper) reads "Gramahone Monarch Record" (Milano) "535 1/2 c"
>> with catalog 063068, other has "Victrola" as the brand, (Titta Ruffo,
>> singing) "1329 c" (not hand written) Catalog 92042 crown in the disc or
>> 90024 (s) in the label
>>
>> Are thise made for/in europe?
>>  JorgeF
>>
>>
>>
>
> The crown and the angel trademark on the reverse of Victors show that
> the master was imported.  The Victor pressings were made for the U.S.
> market from those imported masters.  Over on the popular side, when the
> single-sided records were coupled onto double sided records in the 16000
> series, the other number  you see is the original single-sided catalog
> number.  In the early single sided records the second number you see,
> usually handscribed, is the matrix number.  In acoustical Victors, the
> prefixes on matrix numbers were size indicators.  A=7-inches, B=10,
> C=12, D=8, E=14.  On imported matrix numbers, the suffix is an
> identifier of the recording engineer/producer because each of them kept
> their own serial numbering system which duplicated the numbers used by
> all the others.  So those suffix letterings are vital to identify the
> recording because the numbers are relatively meaningless without the
> suffix.
>
> Mike Biel   mbiel at mbiel.com
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Chris Zwarg <doctordisc at truesoundtransfers.de>
>> To: 78-L Mail List <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, December 7, 2008 2:42:03 AM
>> Subject: Re: [78-L] Matrix numbers [Victor, anyway]
>>
>> At 03:40 07.12.2008, you wrote:
>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Mike Harkin" <harkinmike at yahoo.com>
>>>
>>>> Classical Victors from the various branches of HMV do have those mxx on
>>>> the
>>>> wax.  Don't remember if they have Victor's mxx also, either in the wax
>>>> or
>>>> printed on the label....
>>>> FWIW
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Sides obtained from the various "overseas" HMV branches DO show their
>>> matrix number...which was on the European stampers sent to (RCA) Victor!
>>> In the "wax," though...not on the label. And, AFAIK, they were NOT given
>>> US matrix numbers as controls!
>>>
>>
>> After ca. 1928, Victor matrices as control nrs. do appear at least in the
>> ledgers for imported recordings. They rarely bothered to remove the
>> original HMV matrix nr. however, and as the Victor "equivalent" doesn't
>> show in the matrix anyway, no much difference from the
>> customer's/collector's viewpoint. HMV recordings on Victor *without* the
>> HMV mx. showing are usually US-made dubs; if acoustic, they will show the
>> typical S/8 mark denoting a Victor dub.
>>
>>
>>> However, SOME (not ALL) Red Seals DO show their matrix numbers on the
>>> labels...in parentheses under the catalog numbers. I've never figured out
>>>
>>> how/
>>> why this practice took place...!
>>>
>>
>> Nothing to do with Red Seal AFAIK, but a short-lived practice for all
>> current series sometime around 1928 (which was of course the time when
>> large parts of RS repertoire were remade electrically, so it might be most
>> commonly seen on this type of record).
>>
>> Chris Zwarg
>>
>>
>
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