[78-L] OT: Earl in New York. Last Show.
Michael Biel
mbiel at mbiel.com
Sat Nov 15 14:09:18 PST 2008
From: <spats47 at ntlworld.com>
> Hi!
> Great to see Mike and Leah last night!
> I think that the show went pretty well, really.
We think so too.
> However, I'm really wondering if I'll have an audience at all, tonight,
> so, don't bother about booking a seat, but please, if you're around
> locally, do come along!
> Yours in a panic... Earl.
Actually they didn't ask us if we had reservations, and although it was
fairly full there still were seats at the central "beer hall style"
table. And the music charge is $12, not what the $20 they said on the
phone.
> Broadway Baby Bistro, West 53rd, West of 8th Avenue.
> 7pm Tonight, Saturday, only!
South side of the street, first of the doors to the place as you go West
on 53rd.
Mike Biel mbiel at mbiel.com
> If any of you are interested in joining us, Leah and I are going to see
> (and hear, of course) Earl's show tonight at 7PM at the Broadway Baby
> Bistro (also known as The Music Box) 318 WEST 53RD STREET, (Between 8th
> & 9th Avenues). There is a $15 food and drink minimum plus a $20 music
> charge, but it goes to a good cause (Earl). On the phone they said
> reservations were necessary, and if you are coming, call and add your
> number to our two under the name Biel so they would seat us together if
> they have tables as such. Neither of us have been to the place so we
> are not sure what they are like. Dress can be casual (spats are
> optional). Their phone number is 212 - 757 - 5808, they accept credit
> cards, and their web pages are:
>
> http://www.broadwaybabybistro.com/Calendar0811.shtml
>
> http://www.broadwaybabybistro.com/
>
> http://www.broadwaybabybistro.com/MusicBox0811.shtml#OKIN
>
> I hope some of you might be able to come with us tonight (Friday). (You
> might want to tell us you are coming at 718-909-3483.)
>
> He is also playing there on Sat night as well.
>
> Mike Biel mbiel at mbiel.com
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 15:56:34 -0500
> From: Doug Pomeroy <pomeroyaudio at att.net>
> Subject: [78-L] Re; Thinking of replacing my Owl 1
> To: 78-list <78-l at 78online.com>
> Message-ID: <C216B551-BE26-404A-A2A5-215EE3B3FFD0 at att.net>
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>
> >
> The last page of the product description has graphs
> showing s/n at various frequencies. If you write to
> TDL I believe they can probably give you distortion
> figures as well.
>
> DOug
> ============================================
>
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 14:02:24 -0800
> > From: Jeffrey Lichtman <swazoo at rcn.com>
> > Subject: [78-L] Thinking of replacing my Owl 1
> > To: 78-l at 78online.com
> > Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20081113133836.0357ed80 at pop.rcn.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
> >
> > For years I have been using an Owl 1 pre-amp for playing 78s. It has
> > starting giving me trouble in the past few months, so I'm thinking of
> > replacing it. Unfortunately, most pre-amps that have comparable
> > functions are very expensive. What I need are:
> >
> > - selectable equalization curves (preferably with turnover and
> > rolloff separately selectable)
> > - channel selection: left, right, left + right, left - right (for
> > vertical recordings)
> >
> > I don't generally use the Owl's hiss and rumble filters - I prefer to
> > do this filtering after recording. It would be nice to have a stereo
> > output mode to allow the selection of the quieter channel
> > dynamically, but I've been doing without this for so long that I
> > don't see it as a necessity.
> >
> > The company that made the Owl 1 is out of business, so I can't send
> > it in for repair. It's possible that I can repair it myself - the
> > problem is that one channel drops out, and flicking the power switch
> > off and on will bring it back for a while. I suspect the problem is
> > the power switch itself.
> >
> > If I can't repair the Owl I will have to replace it. I found a
> > company in New Mexico that makes a comparable unit called the TDL
> > Technology Model 4010. They have a web site with the unit described
> > here:
> >
> > http://www.tdl-tech.com/data4010.htm
> >
> > The price is right at $487, but it bothers me that they don't publish
> > technical specs that I can find: things like S/N ratio, distortion,
> > etc.
> >
> > Does anyone here have experience with this pre-amp? Can anyone
> > suggest a different one?
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> >
> > - Jeff Lichtman
> > swazoo at rcn.com
> > Check out Swazoo Koolak's Web
> > Jukebox at
> > http://swazoo.com/
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 16:00:46 -0500
> From: David Lennick <dlennick at sympatico.ca>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Hello and a question
> To: 78-L Mail List <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> Message-ID: <491DE6FE.5090206 at sympatico.ca>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> It's a little more complicated than that for recordings made in the studio.
> Beginning in early 1940, Columbia began recording its masters at 33RPM on
> sixteen inch discs, still using 4-minute takes, which they'd then copy to 78
> for commercial issue. This actually began as a backup system, and they might
> have anticipated the long-playing record becoming a reality, for which they'd
> want high quality source material, better than just playing back 78s. Most of
> the other companies began to follow the same pattern in the mid 40s. Tape
> didn't come into use in the US till 1948-49, about the same time as the LP was
> launched. By then, the system was reversed..they could record continuous long
> movements but they still had to have short takes to issue on 78 and 45. I don't
> think Wozzeck was issued on 78s but I'll bet that it still has 78-RPM take
> numbers in the files.
>
> Toscanini was notorious for refusing to start and stop for record sides, so
> even in the studio, most of his recordings were made in continuous mode. You
> can hear chopped notes at the beginnings and ends of sides in such works as the
> William Tell Overture and Beethoven's 5th Symphony (and of course the 7th, with
> its long blank gaps, and the Eroica, taken from a broadcast).
>
> dl
>
> Pablo Varela wrote:
> > Thank you! I hearded that were made in that way but I someone told me about a Brunswick machine that have some kind of automatition in the process.
> > I have Mahler Ninth only in CD, but I have 1947 Tchaikowsky Pathetique by Toscanini in LP and I asume that was made as you said, and I have a Columbia box with Berg's Wozzeck by Mitropoulos in 33 RPM wich offer a list of complete operas in 33, 45 and 78 RPM.
> > I suppose that those operas were mastered in 78 and then joint in LPs.
> > Thanks again.
> > Pablo.
> > ?
> > Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 15:52:01 -0500
> > From: David Lennick <dlennick at sympatico.ca>
> > Subject: Re: [78-L] Hello and a question
> > To: 78-L Mail List <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> > Message-ID: <491B41F1.1040005 at sympatico.ca>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> >
> > This was done on many recordings, such as most of Toscanini's in the 1930s,
> > by
> > feeding the audio to one cutter and having a second one ready when the
> > engineers were getting near where the record should end. Then they switched the
> >
> > audio feed to the second cutter. Sometimes this was a very abrupt change and
> > there would be a lot of blank grooves at the beginning of the second side while
> >
> > they waited for an appropriate place to make the change (and sometimes they
> > were almost too late).
> >
> > Some recordings were made at 33RPM on long-playing sixteen-inch discs and
> > transferred later to 78.
> >
> > dl
> >
> > Pablo Varela wrote:
> >> Hello all :)
> >> I have a big doubt about history of recording of live events in 78's
> > era.
> >> For example, what kind of machine was used for recording Mahler's
> > Ninth by Bruno Walter in Viena 1938. Common shellacs have 4 minutes playback by
> > side. How was recording this performance without a break?
> >> I hope I was clear because I usually speak in spanish.
> >> Thank you in advance.
> >> Pablo Varela.
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Cocina
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 15:12:17 -0600
> From: "Robert Shirer" <rshirer at neb.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Newbie comment
> To: "78-L Mail List" <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> Message-ID: <003501c9469d$ad1df040$6401a8c0 at DENCOMPUTER>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> Hi,
> Welcome. I've been on the list since shortly after its inception--with a
> few times out for sabbaticals--, and I continue to enjoy the expertise and
> wit of most of its members. There is an information page about the list:
> http://klickitat.78online.com/mailman/listinfo/78-l
>
> and a link there for access to the archives:
>
> The list was founded by Doug Elliot at Cornell University many years ago,
> mid-90s I believe (somebody might be able to be more precise), and after a
> few crises of host-servers and things beyond my non-technical imagination,
> Ron Fial, the current list owner and administrator, stepped in and rescued
> us. Long may he prosper.
>
> We go through phases, and lengthy threads, of solid musical,
> sound-technical, and discographical information, and eventually some of the
> threads evolve (some huffily suggest degenerate) into lengthy pun wars, song
> title one-upsmanship, or just plain silliness. I enjoy that; some members
> indulge in some annoyed tut-tuttery, and some very valuable members have
> left the fold. So it goes.
>
> Glad to have you aboard. Hope you stay and contribute what you know, what
> you want to know and what your interests are.
> Cheers,
> Bob Shirer
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "P G C" <re_p_g_c at yahoo.com>
> To: "78-L Mail List" <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 11:37 AM
> Subject: [78-L] Newbie comment
>
>
> I joined this list just a few weeks ago.
> My main interest was to find some discography of old discs I found in my
> family archives.
> Since, I have read most messages, resulting in great satisfaction and
> learning.
> I want to congratulate all members of the list, is much more active of what
> I thought, been formal, most members have a notable sense of humor and a lot
> of expertise.
> Keep it this way.
> I have a few questions:
> Is there an archive of messages? (For a newbie and to consult)
> When the list started? (Maybe in a different form, like a "news group")
> Who were the founders?
> Regards...
> '''
> (0 0)
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>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 16:17:19 -0500
> From: David Lennick <dlennick at sympatico.ca>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Newbie comment
> To: 78-L Mail List <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> Message-ID: <491DEADF.8070507 at sympatico.ca>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Just to add one thing to Bob's reference to threads veering off topic, which is
> often unavoidable. A few years ago we began asking that posters place a ^ in
> the subject line. This indicates non-78RPM related comments (although not
> always) and I think there was a technical reason for it, something to do with
> bypassing inboxes of people who didn't want to be bothered with unrelated
> responses.
>
> dl
>
> Robert Shirer wrote:
> > Hi,
> > Welcome. I've been on the list since shortly after its inception--with a
> > few times out for sabbaticals--, and I continue to enjoy the expertise and
> > wit of most of its members. There is an information page about the list:
> > http://klickitat.78online.com/mailman/listinfo/78-l
> >
> > and a link there for access to the archives:
> >
> > The list was founded by Doug Elliot at Cornell University many years ago,
> > mid-90s I believe (somebody might be able to be more precise), and after a
> > few crises of host-servers and things beyond my non-technical imagination,
> > Ron Fial, the current list owner and administrator, stepped in and rescued
> > us. Long may he prosper.
> >
> > We go through phases, and lengthy threads, of solid musical,
> > sound-technical, and discographical information, and eventually some of the
> > threads evolve (some huffily suggest degenerate) into lengthy pun wars, song
> > title one-upsmanship, or just plain silliness. I enjoy that; some members
> > indulge in some annoyed tut-tuttery, and some very valuable members have
> > left the fold. So it goes.
> >
> > Glad to have you aboard. Hope you stay and contribute what you know, what
> > you want to know and what your interests are.
> > Cheers,
> > Bob Shirer
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "P G C" <re_p_g_c at yahoo.com>
> > To: "78-L Mail List" <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 11:37 AM
> > Subject: [78-L] Newbie comment
> >
> >
> > I joined this list just a few weeks ago.
> > My main interest was to find some discography of old discs I found in my
> > family archives.
> > Since, I have read most messages, resulting in great satisfaction and
> > learning.
> > I want to congratulate all members of the list, is much more active of what
> > I thought, been formal, most members have a notable sense of humor and a lot
> > of expertise.
> > Keep it this way.
> > I have a few questions:
> > Is there an archive of messages? (For a newbie and to consult)
> > When the list started? (Maybe in a different form, like a "news group")
> > Who were the founders?
> > Regards...
> > '''
> > (0 0)
> > ___,,,^..^,,,__/----oOO---(_)---OOo---
> >
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 11:25:25 -1000
> From: Malcolm Rockwell <malcolm at 78data.com>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Hello and a question
> To: 78-L Mail List <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> Message-ID: <491DECC5.7020807 at 78data.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> I don't understand this.
> Back in the 30's and earlier, sound engineers for film knew about and
> used the segue, cross-fading and other basic tools of the trade. Why the
> hell did the major labels chop, dice and rice material that was longer
> than 3 or 4 minutes, especially on album sets or 2 sided records? Why
> not start the second disc cutter before the first cutter was finished
> and then fade out/in so there was just a little overlap, and thereby no
> missing notes, bars, movements, etc.?
> Makes no sense... unless they were worried about automatic players. Even
> so, it still makes no sense.
> I guess you don't have to have brains to be a butcher.
> M
>
> *******
>
> David Lennick wrote:
> >
> > Toscanini was notorious for refusing to start and stop for record sides, so
> > even in the studio, most of his recordings were made in continuous mode. You
> > can hear chopped notes at the beginnings and ends of sides in such works as the
> > William Tell Overture and Beethoven's 5th Symphony (and of course the 7th, with
> > its long blank gaps, and the Eroica, taken from a broadcast).
> >
> > dl
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 16:31:45 -0500
> From: David Lennick <dlennick at sympatico.ca>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Hello and a question
> To: 78-L Mail List <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> Message-ID: <491DEE41.6010509 at sympatico.ca>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Stokowski asked the same question, and his stuff in the early to mid 30s WAS
> faded. Often at the worst possible time, as in the Rachmaninoff Rhapsody where
> fades occur in mid-note, to say nothing of mid-variation, often with not enough
> of the overlapped note at full volume to permit a good join (believe me, I've
> dealt with this one a few times). HMV actually dubbed that entire album, very
> successfully, to get rid of those fades and end the sides at natural breaks.
> They were so successful you'd swear they had a master source to work from, and
> considering that Victor did try recording continuous works on film, that would
> have made sense (except that it definitely is dubbed from 78s, since they
> missed getting one join perfect).
>
> dl
>
> Malcolm Rockwell wrote:
> > I don't understand this.
> > Back in the 30's and earlier, sound engineers for film knew about and
> > used the segue, cross-fading and other basic tools of the trade. Why the
> > hell did the major labels chop, dice and rice material that was longer
> > than 3 or 4 minutes, especially on album sets or 2 sided records? Why
> > not start the second disc cutter before the first cutter was finished
> > and then fade out/in so there was just a little overlap, and thereby no
> > missing notes, bars, movements, etc.?
> > Makes no sense... unless they were worried about automatic players. Even
> > so, it still makes no sense.
> > I guess you don't have to have brains to be a butcher.
> > M
> >
> > *******
> >
> > David Lennick wrote:
> >> Toscanini was notorious for refusing to start and stop for record sides, so
> >> even in the studio, most of his recordings were made in continuous mode. You
> >> can hear chopped notes at the beginnings and ends of sides in such works as the
> >> William Tell Overture and Beethoven's 5th Symphony (and of course the 7th, with
> >> its long blank gaps, and the Eroica, taken from a broadcast).
> >>
> >> dl
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > http://klickitat.78online.com/mailman/listinfo/78-l
> >
> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 14:30:51 -0700
> From: "Michael Biel" <mbiel at mbiel.com>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Seeing Earl Okin TONIGHT in NYC
> To: "David Weiner" <djwein at earthlink.net>
> Cc: '78-L Mail List' <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> Message-ID:
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>
> Unless we spend time with Earl afterwards (or even if we DO) we'll try
> to make it.
>
> Mike Biel mbiel at mbiel.com
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: RE: [78-L] Seeing Earl Okin TONIGHT in NYC
> From: "David Weiner" <djwein at earthlink.net>
> Date: Fri, November 14, 2008 3:50 pm
> To: "'78-L Mail List'" <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> Cc: <mbiel at mbiel.com>
>
> Hey Mike,
>
> Can't make it to Earl tonite, but I will be close by - having dinner
> with a
> bunch of my show music/theater friends at the Westway Diner, 9th Ave
> between
> 43rd & 44th. We will be there from 7:30-9:15-ish; some of the guys are
> OTR
> buffs and would be delighted to meet you, if you get out of the Bistro
> early
> enough to stop by.
>
> Dave W.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 78-l-bounces at klickitat.78online.com
> [mailto:78-l-bounces at klickitat.78online.com] On Behalf Of Michael Biel
> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 2:41 PM
> To: 78-L Mail List
> Subject: [78-L] Seeing Earl Okin TONIGHT in NYC
>
> If any of you are interested in joining us, Leah and I are going to see
> (and hear, of course) Earl's show tonight at 7PM at the Broadway Baby
> Bistro (also known as The Music Box) 318 WEST 53RD STREET, (Between 8th
> & 9th Avenues). There is a $15 food and drink minimum plus a $20 music
> charge, but it goes to a good cause (Earl). On the phone they said
> reservations were necessary, and if you are coming, call and add your
> number to our two under the name Biel so they would seat us together if
> they have tables as such. Neither of us have been to the place so we
> are not sure what they are like. Dress can be casual (spats are
> optional). Their phone number is 212 - 757 - 5808, they accept credit
> cards, and their web pages are:
>
> http://www.broadwaybabybistro.com/Calendar0811.shtml
>
> http://www.broadwaybabybistro.com/
>
> http://www.broadwaybabybistro.com/MusicBox0811.shtml#OKIN
>
> I hope some of you might be able to come with us tonight (Friday). (You
> might want to tell us you are coming at 718-909-3483.)
>
> He is also playing there on Sat night as well.
>
> Mike Biel mbiel at mbiel.com
>
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>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 11:32:23 -1000
> From: Malcolm Rockwell <malcolm at 78data.com>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Newbie comment
> To: 78-L Mail List <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> Message-ID: <491DEE67.9070207 at 78data.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> No, it wasn't that. I think that the caret (^) was just a convenient way
> for the reader to dump any and all posts so marked, knowing in advance
> that reading them would only irritate said reader.
> I was trying to figure a way that anything so marked would keep careted
> posts from showing up on the www or the internet. There's no need for
> anyone offlist to ever see them.
> No luck there.
> M
>
> *******
>
> David Lennick wrote:
> > Just to add one thing to Bob's reference to threads veering off topic, which is
> > often unavoidable. A few years ago we began asking that posters place a ^ in
> > the subject line. This indicates non-78RPM related comments (although not
> > always) and I think there was a technical reason for it, something to do with
> > bypassing inboxes of people who didn't want to be bothered with unrelated
> > responses.
> >
> > dl
> >
> > Robert Shirer wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >> Welcome. I've been on the list since shortly after its inception--with a
> >> few times out for sabbaticals--, and I continue to enjoy the expertise and
> >> wit of most of its members. There is an information page about the list:
> >> http://klickitat.78online.com/mailman/listinfo/78-l
> >>
> >> and a link there for access to the archives:
> >>
> >> The list was founded by Doug Elliot at Cornell University many years ago,
> >> mid-90s I believe (somebody might be able to be more precise), and after a
> >> few crises of host-servers and things beyond my non-technical imagination,
> >> Ron Fial, the current list owner and administrator, stepped in and rescued
> >> us. Long may he prosper.
> >>
> >> We go through phases, and lengthy threads, of solid musical,
> >> sound-technical, and discographical information, and eventually some of the
> >> threads evolve (some huffily suggest degenerate) into lengthy pun wars, song
> >> title one-upsmanship, or just plain silliness. I enjoy that; some members
> >> indulge in some annoyed tut-tuttery, and some very valuable members have
> >> left the fold. So it goes.
> >>
> >> Glad to have you aboard. Hope you stay and contribute what you know, what
> >> you want to know and what your interests are.
> >> Cheers,
> >> Bob Shirer
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "P G C" <re_p_g_c at yahoo.com>
> >> To: "78-L Mail List" <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> >> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 11:37 AM
> >> Subject: [78-L] Newbie comment
> >>
> >>
> >> I joined this list just a few weeks ago.
> >> My main interest was to find some discography of old discs I found in my
> >> family archives.
> >> Since, I have read most messages, resulting in great satisfaction and
> >> learning.
> >> I want to congratulate all members of the list, is much more active of what
> >> I thought, been formal, most members have a notable sense of humor and a lot
> >> of expertise.
> >> Keep it this way.
> >> I have a few questions:
> >> Is there an archive of messages? (For a newbie and to consult)
> >> When the list started? (Maybe in a different form, like a "news group")
> >> Who were the founders?
> >> Regards...
> >>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 16:46:32 -0500
> From: soundthink at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Newbie comment
> To: 78-l at klickitat.78online.com
> Message-ID: <8CB14B997DB9F42-AF4-1254 at webmail-mf17.sysops.aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Maybe we should inaugurate another symbol for "tut-tuttery."
>
> Cary Ginell
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Lennick <dlennick at sympatico.ca>
> To: 78-L Mail List <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> Sent: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 1:17 pm
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Newbie comment
>
>
>
> Just to add one thing to Bob's reference to threads veering off topic, which is
> often unavoidable. A few years ago we began asking that posters place a ^ in
> the subject line. This indicates non-78RPM related comments (although not
> always) and I think there was a technical reason for it, something to do with
> bypassing inboxes of people who didn't want to be bothered with unrelated
> responses.
>
> dl
>
> Robert Shirer wrote:
> > Hi,
> > Welcome. I've been on the list since shortly after its inception--with a
> > few times out for sabbaticals--, and I continue to enjoy the expertise and
> > wit of most of its members. There is an information page about the list:
> > http://klickitat.78online.com/mailman/listinfo/78-l
> >
> > and a link there for access to the archives:
> >
> > The list was founded by Doug Elliot at Cornell University many years ago,
> > mid-90s I believe (somebody might be able to be more precise), and after a
> > few crises of host-servers and things beyond my non-technical imagination,
> > Ron Fial, the current list owner and administrator, stepped in and rescued
> > us. Long may he prosper.
> >
> > We go through phases, and lengthy threads, of solid musical,
> > sound-technical, and discographical information, and eventually some of the
> > threads evolve (some huffily suggest degenerate) into lengthy pun wars, song
> > title one-upsmanship, or just plain silliness. I enjoy that; some members
> > indulge in some annoyed tut-tuttery, and some very valuable members have
> > left the fold. So it goes.
> >
> > Glad to have you aboard. Hope you stay and contribute what you know, what
> > you want to know and what your interests are.
> > Cheers,
> > Bob Shirer
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "P G C" <re_p_g_c at yahoo.com>
> > To: "78-L Mail List" <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 11:37 AM
> > Subject: [78-L] Newbie comment
> >
> >
> > I joined this list just a few weeks ago.
> > My main interest was to find some discography of old discs I found in my
> > family archives.
> > Since, I have read most messa
> ges, resulting in great satisfaction and
> > learning.
> > I want to congratulate all members of the list, is much more active of what
> > I thought, been formal, most members have a notable sense of humor and a lot
> > of expertise.
> > Keep it this way.
> > I have a few questions:
> > Is there an archive of messages? (For a newbie and to consult)
> > When the list started? (Maybe in a different form, like a "news group")
> > Who were the founders?
> > Regards...
> > '''
> > (0 0)
> > ___,,,^..^,,,__/----oOO---(_)---OOo---
> >
> >
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