From markt2704 at gmail.com.invalid  Mon Jun 29 12:18:43 2020
From: markt2704 at gmail.com.invalid (Mark Thomas)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2020 15:18:43 -0400
Subject: [78-L] Behind Every 78 Recording Lies a Story - Internet Archive
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This might be of interest ...

?Mark


http://blog.archive.org/2020/06/26/behind-every-78-recording-lies-a-story/

From ginku_ledovec at att.net.invalid  Mon Jun 29 12:30:05 2020
From: ginku_ledovec at att.net.invalid (DKing)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2020 12:30:05 -0700
Subject: [78-L] Behind Every 78 Recording Lies a Story - Internet
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Thanks Mark!

- Dave King


> On Jun 29, 2020, at 12:18 PM, Mark Thomas <markt2704 at gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
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> This might be of interest ...
> 
> ?Mark
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From rjh334578 at gmail.com.invalid  Tue Jun 30 19:50:44 2020
From: rjh334578 at gmail.com.invalid (Rodger J. Holtin)
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2020 21:50:44 -0500
Subject: [78-L] Behind Every 78 Recording Lies a Story - Internet
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I got the feeling from reading the narrative that this stuff was all new to these people. I remember the original thrill of hearing Spike and Red Ingle for the first time. I remember as a teenager my first encounter with the OKeh Laughing Record with some fondness as well. I?m guessing, based on the language and tone of the narrative and the picture of the author that these are young people. I?m glad they seem to be enjoying what they?re doing. There may be hope for the world after all. 

Thanks for the post, Mark. Well worth a few minutes of my time. 

Rodger Holtin
78-L Member Since MCMXCVIII

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> On Jun 29, 2020, at 2:18 PM, Mark Thomas <markt2704 at gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
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> This might be of interest ...
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From ginku_ledovec at att.net.invalid  Tue Jun 30 21:01:33 2020
From: ginku_ledovec at att.net.invalid (DKing)
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2020 21:01:33 -0700
Subject: [78-L] Big Band Era
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Inigo, you have converted me, and I?m smiling as I type this.  I just downloaded Duke Ellington?s version of "Rhapsody in Blue?.  And I love Ellington at Newport, especially ?Jeep?s Blues? and ?Skin Deep?.  As far as I?m concerned, you can talk about your favorite musicians any time.

- Dave King

> On Jun 28, 2020, at 2:41 AM, I?igo Cubillo <icubilloes at outlook.es.invalid> wrote:
> 
> 
> A little aside... You mentioned Ellington... He was unique among the uniques. I always listen to his records and tell myself (or my wife, when she stops for a while to listen to my old records) : 'just compare this sound with what others were doing at the same time'. The comparison only highlights still more the tremendous originality of his work, being himself's or being the outcome from a collective arrangement work, led by him, but with the collaboration of his bunch of musicians, really composers and arrangers, some with strong musical personalities, as were Strayhorn, Hodges, Tizol or many of the important men that formed his orchestras along such long musical career. It all is unique, sounds unique and makes a real world apart. At least it's how this profane music lover feels the 'Ellington Phenomenon'.
> My first contact with his music was the 1934 Victor recording of 'Live and Love Tonight' 24617 ? Mx. pb 79157 2 <ve> ? Rec. 1934 04 12 hollywood ca. I was then a teenager, and fell in love immediately with this, music. My next birthday I was asked by a friend's mother which record I wanted as a birthday present, and I asked 'any one by Ellington'. It was at the time of his death, in late 1975. She presented me with an Lp full of the (later identified when acquiring his Capitol 78s) 1950s capitol recordings, all magnificent: Smiles, If I give my love to you, Flamingo, Cocktails for two,... and The one which I know still by heart, and has been always my favourite, the incredible six minutes rendition of Flying Home.
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From mariafletcher at protonmail.com.invalid  Fri Jul  3 00:28:50 2020
From: mariafletcher at protonmail.com.invalid (Maria Fletcher)
Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2020 07:28:50 +0000
Subject: [78-L] New Turntable - advice appreciated!
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Dear listers,

I have just purchased the Audio Technica AT-LP140XP turntable, and would appreciate advice on the best Stylus to use to play and record 78 rpm records, mostly from the pre 1940s.

kind regards
Maria

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From gn at audio-restoration.com.invalid  Fri Jul  3 12:51:11 2020
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Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2020 15:51:11 -0400
Subject: [78-L] New Turntable - advice appreciated!
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On 7/3/2020 3:28 AM, Maria Fletcher wrote:

> I have just purchased the Audio Technica AT-LP140XP turntable, and would appreciate advice on the best Stylus to use to play and record 78 rpm records, mostly from the pre 1940s.

Hello Maria...

I have spent years doing transfers of the records you want to play and have 
found that a  2.0mil truncated elliptical  stylus will play just about anything.

Hope this helps.



... Graham Newton

-- 
Audio Restoration by Graham Newton, http://www.audio-restoration.com
World class professional services applied to tape or phonograph records for
consumers and re-releases, featuring CEDAR's CAMBRIDGE processes.

From ekluwer at gmail.com.invalid  Fri Jul  3 14:39:54 2020
From: ekluwer at gmail.com.invalid (Erwin Kluwer)
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2020 23:39:54 +0200
Subject: [78-L] New Turntable - advice appreciated!
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Ideally you should get a 2.0, 2.5, 3.0 and a 3.5 elliptical ... That would
cover it for most records...

Best,

Erwin

On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 9:29 AM Maria Fletcher
<mariafletcher at protonmail.com.invalid> wrote:

>
> Dear listers,
>
> I have just purchased the Audio Technica AT-LP140XP turntable, and would
> appreciate advice on the best Stylus to use to play and record 78 rpm
> records, mostly from the pre 1940s.
>
> kind regards
> Maria
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From ciadelgramofono at yahoo.es.invalid  Sun Jul  5 04:40:25 2020
From: ciadelgramofono at yahoo.es.invalid (=?iso-8859-1?Q?I=F1igo_Cubillo?=)
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2020 11:40:25 +0000
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Maria, if you want a high-end stylus you may acquire one of the Expert Stylus Co., a British supplier of many different sizes and types, conical or elyptical, truncated or not, and in different sizes, but all these are expensive (near $150). If depends of what you want, too. Of course there are other styli suitable for 78s, at much cheaper prices, something like $30-40. Between these two ends you have many choices. Usually the cartridge you want to use also is a factor. Companies as Ortofon or Grado have their own 78 carts with different styli. For casual or daily listening with no other high-end pretensions, I would recommend a standard Shure SC35C or Stanton 500 cart, for which you can find in the market suitable off-brand styli, usually conical 2.5 or 3 mil tips, that serve well with most 78s. You'll find the groove widths are different from one record brand to another, so having these two sizes is common, for you'll find a record sounding better with one of these and worse with the other. The quality of the pressing and the good or worn condition of the grooves is also a factor; for instance, if it's common to find records that have been played with used up steel needles, by some users that didn't change the steel needle, using a new one for each play on acoustic machines: the purpose of these steel needles and the abrasive material present in the records was that the very first grooves must wear the point of the needle and shape it to suit the groove. The steel needle was made to be discarded after one play, but many ignored this, and perused the needles, with the result that the worn point acts as a chisel on the following record played, and breaks and erodes the groove walls, wearing the record very fast. That is the greying noticeable at nude eye in the grooves of the strong passages, and the source of that music distortion. Usually these worn out areas of the grooves are located in the mid to high parts of the walls,  so the result when playing these worn records with modern light cartridges is that the records may sound broken and distorted when using, say, a 3mil stylus, but you may discover they sound better when using a narrower point, say, 2.5mil, for this rides on the grooves at a lower position, where the action of the worn steel needle didn't reach! That is why it is recommended to have at least one thicker stylus and also a thinner one.  The reason for using thick styli is that some records, for instance the orthophonic victors of the twenties, had wider grooves than others. These will sound dull and swishy if played with thinner styli.

Better you may read first any suitable article on the Web about the matter. Many websites devoted to 78s have literature and advice about playing those with modern diamond styli. I've found this, as an example
http://www.vjm.biz/styli-for-playing-78s.html
but there are many more. Just google for advice to newbies to the 78rpm hobby about styli.


I?igo Cubillo
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Dear listers,

I have just purchased the Audio Technica AT-LP140XP turntable, and would appreciate advice on the best Stylus to use to play and record 78 rpm records, mostly from the pre 1940s.

kind regards
Maria

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From ciadelgramofono at yahoo.es.invalid  Sun Jul  5 04:48:01 2020
From: ciadelgramofono at yahoo.es.invalid (=?iso-8859-1?Q?I=F1igo_Cubillo?=)
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2020 11:48:01 +0000
Subject: [78-L] 78-L - broken disc, genuine catastrophe
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I've had good results with the tape system. Of course, you have to edit out the clicks at every turn afterwards with the software, but if the crack is clean and the record doesn't jump grooves, it can be done. The click appears as a high peak first, but it has echoes, so after the big one you must look for the two or three later immediate peaks too.  Best seen if you transfer the record with the silent parts at the beginning and the end, so you can study the shape and echoes of the break impulses on the needle.

I?igo Cubillo

From icubilloes at outlook.es.invalid  Sat Jul  4 18:07:27 2020
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Maria, if you want a high-end stylus you may acquire one of the Expert Stylus Co., a British supplier of many different sizes and types, conical or elyptical, truncated or not, and in different sizes, but all these are expensive (near $150). If depends of what you want, too. Of course there are other styli suitable for 78s, at much cheaper prices, something like $30-40. Between these two ends you have many choices. Usually the cartridge you want to use also is a factor. Companies as Ortofon or Grado have their own 78 carts with different styli. For casual or daily listening with no other high-end pretensions, I would recommend a standard Shure SC35C or Stanton 500 cart, for which you can find in the market suitable off-brand styli, usually conical 2.5 or 3 mil tips, that serve well with most 78s. You'll find the groove widths are different from one record brand to another, so having these two sizes is common, for you'll find a record sounding better with one of these and worse with the other. The quality of the pressing and the good or worn condition of the grooves is also a factor; for instance, if it's common to find records that have been played with used up steel needles, by some users that didn't change the steel needle, using a new one for each play on acoustic machines: the purpose of these steel needles and the abrasive material present in the records was that the very first grooves must wear the point of the needle and shape it to suit the groove. The steel needle was made to be discarded after one play, but many ignored this, and perused the needles, with the result that the worn point acts as a chisel on the following record played, and breaks and erodes the groove walls, wearing the record very fast. That is the greying noticeable at nude eye in the grooves of the strong passages, and the source of that music distortion. Usually these worn out areas of the grooves are located in the mid to high parts of the walls,  so the result when playing these worn records with modern light cartridges is that the records may sound broken and distorted when using, say, a 3mil stylus, but you may discover they sound better when using a narrower point, say, 2.5mil, for this rides on the grooves at a lower position, where the action of the worn steel needle didn't reach! That is why it is recommended to have at least one thicker stylus and also a thinner one.  The reason for using thick styli is that some records, for instance the orthophonic victors of the twenties, had wider grooves than others. These will sound dull and swishy if played with thinner styli.

Better you may read first any suitable article on the Web about the matter. Many websites devoted to 78s have literature and advice about playing those with modern diamond styli. I've found this, as an example
http://www.vjm.biz/styli-for-playing-78s.html
but there are many more. Just google for advice to newbies to the 78rpm hobby about styli.

I?igo Cubillo

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Dear listers,

I have just purchased the Audio Technica AT-LP140XP turntable, and would appreciate advice on the best Stylus to use to play and record 78 rpm records, mostly from the pre 1940s.

kind regards
Maria

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