[78-L] Big Band Era - and Musical Fashions
DKing
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Fri Jun 26 15:24:48 PDT 2020
Inigo, you’re not ignorant - I wish I could express myself as well as you do.
You mentioned musical fashions and how they go in and out of style. We’ve all seen this happen. But why does it happen? Is one musical fashion always replaced by something new, just because it is new and different? Does the younger generation always prefer new forms of music as opposed to the older ones enjoyed by their parents? Why do some musical styles never seem to go out of fashion?
- Dave King
> On Jun 25, 2020, at 7:01 AM, Iñigo Cubillo <icubilloes at outlook.es.invalid> wrote:
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> I'm not an expert, but there go my two cents....
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> A simple logical reasoning is implicit in Roger's question, and it is clear that a term such as Big Band Era is likely to have been coined after the bands heyday. I doubt anyone in the late thirties would have said it this way, something like 'we're immersed in the big band era', maybe some musical writer in the billboard or other musical magazine, but it's not likely. Do trend analysers inquire about a current musical trend's end, imagining a different panorama in the future, and seeing their current Era as in a foreseen retrospective? In modern days it seems quite probable; musical fashions are multiple, short-lived phenomena, and there is a myriad of musical writers and critics, reaching every corner of the planet at a simple mouse click, and besides that, today they can, and do, write what they want, as they want, in complete freedom. So this kind of critical exercise is conceivable, and surely it exists in written media.
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> But I believe it was not the case in the 1930s-40s... although they wrote in apparent freedom, at least in magazines addressed to the young generation, I believe forms and styles were pretty narrow, at least in commercial publications. If we would look after such a term written in that epoch, we should turn to more serious scholar publications, where such an analysis could well have been done.
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> A different thing is to name a band a 'big band'. This, Donna has pointed, was a very old term, and could have been used then. This time I would search in the commercial publications. If such a term was used, I feel the answer is in these musical magazines for youngsters about swing, the bandleaders, and the starlettes then sparkling.
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> Again, a long post from the Spanish ignorant, with no more contents that simple reasoning and no facts. I'm sorry, but I have no data about it... but I like very much to discuss about the hobby with you all!
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> Best regards,
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> Iñigo Cubillo
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> Would anybody happen to know who coined the term "Big Band Era" or any
> variations thereof? When? Was the term "Big Band" used during the era
> itself? Did fans, musicians, writers, anybody refer to all those late night
> remote bands as "big bands" when they were still new, hot stuff on the air
> most every night, or did that terminology only emerge once the party was
> over and everybody who loved those bands started wondering where they went
> and they needed a handy term?
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> On 6/23/2020 10:22 PM, Rodger J Holtin wrote:
>> Would anybody happen to know who coined the term "Big Band Era" or any
>> variations thereof?
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> As you know, the term "Big Band" is actually quite old-- I find it in
> the 1890s, in advertisements for concert halls and county fairs, often
> referred to as a "big brass band" but sometimes just as a "big band." In
> the early 1940s, reviewers are talking about the "big name band era"--
> in other words, the bandleaders are the stars, and the audience knows
> the bands by the name of the person who was the leader.? But I don't see
> any references to the "big band era" until the 1950s, as the music
> changed and music critics and reviewers were looking back on past trends.
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