[78-L] 78-L Digest, Vol 139, Issue 5
Dennis Flannigan
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So Long to sarong is right?
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> Don?t apologize, this is our hobby and we all enjoy discussing the world of 78s!
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> One interesting fact, coins, stamps and baseball cards were always known as coins, stamps and baseball cards, but 78s were not known as 78s until after the 78 era. If you went into a record store in 1946 and asked if they sold 78s, they probably wouldn?t know what you?re talking about; they might think you?re looking for ammunition for your hunting rifle! (I?m obviously not a gun expert and don?t know if there is such a caliber.)
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> Regarding your question, there are lots of musicians I enjoy who didn?t live long enough to record after the 78 era, but any record that?s worth hearing has been transcribed to more modern media formats. For 78s that I have transferred to CDs for my own use and that have never been updated to my knowledge, I would include ?Comus Ballet Suite? by Constant Lambert, Stephen Foster music performed by Nathanial Shilkret, (an incredibly well recorded set for 1926, and I don?t believe the program to be racially offensive), and the ?mile Cot? Christmas Albums. I have broad taste in music!
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>> On Apr 1, 2020, at 14:39, DKing <ginku_ledovec at att.net.invalid> wrote:
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>> ?
>> Hello everyone,
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>> Sorry to keep asking questions, but when it comes to 78?s,
>> I want to open my window to that world a little wider.
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>> So here goes . . . what is your favorite song or musician
>> or musical piece that you?ve only heard on 78?s ??
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>> - Dave King
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> Does anyone have an idea as to what the earliest recording of
> Tchaikovsky's Nutcrcaker suite or part there of?The early 1920's
> Diamond Disc recordings are really a great effort.
> Hilton Sheppard
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> The earliest recording of the first three movements appears to be from 1907 by La Scala orchestra under Carlo Sabajno; the first recording of the complete suite was recorded by Herman Finck and the London Palace Orchestra for Odeon in April 1909. (This was the first orchestral recording of an extended work issued in its own album!)
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>> ?
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>> Does anyone have an idea as to what the earliest recording of
>> Tchaikovsky's Nutcrcaker suite or part there of?The early 1920's
>> Diamond Disc recordings are really a great effort.
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> Dave must have Claude Arnold's book. Mine disappeared along with much of my reference library a few years ago.
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> The earliest recording of the first three movements appears to be from 1907 by La Scala orchestra under Carlo Sabajno; the first recording of the complete suite was recorded by Herman Finck and the London Palace Orchestra for Odeon in April 1909. (This was the first orchestral recording of an extended work issued in its own album!)
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>> ?
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>> Does anyone have an idea as to what the earliest recording of
>> Tchaikovsky's Nutcrcaker suite or part there of?The early 1920's
>> Diamond Disc recordings are really a great effort.
>> Hilton Sheppard
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> Dave must have Claude Arnold's book. Mine disappeared along with much of my reference library a few years ago.
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> The earliest recording of the first three movements appears to be from 1907 by La Scala orchestra under Carlo Sabajno; the first recording of the complete suite was recorded by Herman Finck and the London Palace Orchestra for Odeon in April 1909. (This was the first orchestral recording of an extended work issued in its own album!)
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> db
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>> ?
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>> Does anyone have an idea as to what the earliest recording of
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>> Diamond Disc recordings are really a great effort.
>> Hilton Sheppard
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> No secrets from Mr. Lennick!
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>> On Apr 1, 2020, at 23:48, David Lennick <dplennick at yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
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>> ?
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>> Dave must have Claude Arnold's book. Mine disappeared along with much of my reference library a few years ago.
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>> dl
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>> Date: April 1, 2020 at 11:23 PM
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>>
>>
>> The earliest recording of the first three movements appears to be from 1907 by La Scala orchestra under Carlo Sabajno; the first recording of the complete suite was recorded by Herman Finck and the London Palace Orchestra for Odeon in April 1909. (This was the first orchestral recording of an extended work issued in its own album!)
>>
>> db
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>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> On Apr 1, 2020, at 20:34, hsheppard at netc.net.au.invalid wrote:
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>>> ?
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>>>
>>> Does anyone have an idea as to what the earliest recording of
>>> Tchaikovsky's Nutcrcaker suite or part there of?The early 1920's
>>> Diamond Disc recordings are really a great effort.
>>> Hilton Sheppard
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> Longest 78-L posting in my memory. Fun and informative. DF
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>> 1. Re: For 78's, What Does Transcription Mean? (Kristjan Saag)
>> 2. Transcriptions (78s & 33s) (Malcolm)
>> 3. Re: For Lennick (BURNHAM)
>> 4. Re: For 78's, What Does Transcription Mean? (Ron Roscoe)
>> 5. Fw: For Lennick (David Lennick)
>> 6. Fw: For Lennick (David Lennick)
>> 7. Re: Fw: For 78's, What Does Transcription Mean? (Ron Roscoe)
>> 8. Re: Fw: For 78's, What Does Transcription Mean? (Michael Biel)
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>> From: Kristjan Saag <saag at telia.com.invalid>
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>> Well, here's the 2013 discussion, starting with Julian Vein answering Cary Ginell's comment from October 28th. Ending with Joe Salerno's posting on November 4th.
>> Chronological order.
>> Kristjan
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>> --------
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>>> On 28/10/13 18:26, Cary Ginell wrote:
>>>
>>> Speaking of Westinghouse, they sponsored this 1957 broadcast of Studio One, which featured "The Night America Trembled," a retrospective on the 1938 Mercury Theatre production of "War of the Worlds," which celebrates its 75th anniversary this Wednesday. I had thought that the superb 1975 TV movie "The Night That Panicked America" was the only such show recreating the Orson Welles broadcast. T
>>> Cary Ginell
>>>
>> There was a programme about the "War of the Worlds" 1938 broadcast on
>> BBC Radio 4 on Saturday night. They played extracts from the programme.
>> The question is: Was the programme committed to a transcription disc
>> (meaning it didn't go out live), or was this a Boris Rose effort?
>>
>> Julian Vein
>>
>> --------
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>> PBS Is showing a new documentary on Welles' WAR OF THE WORLDS this week on
>> the 75th anniversary of the original broadcast.
>>
>> Dave Weiner
>>
>> -----
>>
>> It went out live -- our networks did not allow the use of recordings
>> with very few exceptions (by that time, only one.) Boris Rose would
>> have had nothing to do with it unless he recorded it off the air.
>> Recently we have been discovering several previously unknown sources of
>> the recordings of the broadcast, and we might now have six independently
>> recorded versions, including a 1948 dub that dl owns.
>>
>> Mike Biel
>>
>> --------
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>> I was surprised nobody had mentioned this. Tomorrow night in Buffalo (isn't
>> that a Roger Miller song? Yeah, I know, Baltimore). There's been some
>> discussion re WOTW on a local radio-tv board (I forwarded the link to the huge
>> long page that features comment by everybody, including Mike and Liz) but was
>> wondering where the program was heard in Canada. Toronto heard it on CFRB,
>> which had a long-standing connection with CBS, but did the CBC get it in the
>> rest of the country or did they carry Charlie McCarthy?
>>
>> dl
>> -------
>>
>> The Longines, which wasn't in fake stereo, although it had an odd gap of about
>> 1 second of silence (someone forgot to remove a piece of leader tape). But it
>> also had that sound overlap where an operator started side 2 a couple of
>> seconds before side 1 finished. That was still present on the Radio Spittoons
>> CD if I'm not mistaken. The 2-LP set was from the same source (Mannheim Fox) as
>> the Longines.
>>
>> dl
>>
>> ---------
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>> of the versions which have appeared on LP and CD,
>> which is the most complete and best sound ????
>>
>> On LP I had the Audio Rarities version, which was pretty bad.
>> there was one issued by Longines? which IIRC was much better sounding, and a
>> 2-LP version (don't remember the label). There have been many others on LP and
>> CDs since - I would upgrade if there is a really excellent version available......
>>
>> There was a book by Hadley Cantril about the effect of the broadcast and "panic" A serious
>> study possibly from the 1940's - have there been any other SERIOUS studies more recently ???
>>
>> Thanks, Thomas Stern
>>
>> ------
>>
>> The Radio Spirits CD of "War of the Worlds" has to be the worst attempt at noise reduction and audio cleanup I've ever heard. Unlistenable.
>>
>> There's a transfer from 78s, recently made available on an old-time radio blog that I cannot locate the link to, that may be the most complete version out there.
>>
>> Randy Watts
>>
>> ------
>>
>> ???? The 2001 book "The Complete War of the
>> Worlds: Mars' Invasion from H.G. Wells to Orson Welles" includes
>> the full audio on CD along with next day & 40-years-later
>> ?interviews with Welles and a subsequent meeting between H.G. &
>> Orson?as well as?excerpts from the 1968 recreation by
>> Buffalo's WKBW.? Sound is excellent.? The book contains the
>> full text and original?illustrations of the Wells book as well as
>> the Koch radio play along with?the story of the broadcast and
>> "panic",?fully illustrated with period
>> news?photos.? Highly recommended!
>>
>>
>> Peter
>>
>> ------
>>
>> A contributor to the BBC programme suggested that the people who may
>> have panicked may have tuned in late. He suggested that many were
>> listening to Ed Bergen and Charlie McCarthy on another network, and when
>> Dorothy Lamour started singing a boring song (which they played), they
>> started channel hopping, and this would have tuned in just as the
>> "panic" announcement came on.
>>
>> Julian Vein
>>
>> -----
>>
>> The legend has always been that people switched stations when Nelson Eddy sang,
>> but that one doesn't hold up for various reasons including Eddy's immense
>> popularity at the time.
>>
>> dl
>>
>> ------
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>>
>> But did that apply to Dorothy Lamour?
>>
>> Julian Vein
>>
>> -----
>>
>> What's sarong with Dorothy Lamour?
>>
>> dl
>>
>> -----
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>> I looked this up on the web site of my local PBS station because
>> this is the first I'd heard of it.? Apparently they are going to
>> play pieces of the original broadcast in real time (the time it
>> it would have aired originally) then comment on what was going on
>> during the broadcast.? One scary thing popped out at me in the
>> synopsis:
>>
>>> ...the film examines the elements that together created
>>> one of the biggest
>> mass hysteria events in U.S. history,
>>> including our longtime fascination
>> with life on Mars;
>>> the emergence of radio as a powerful new medium; the
>>> shocking Hindenburg explosion of 1937, the first disaster
>>> to broadcast
>> live;... Are they really going to repeat that Hindenburg misconception
>> as fact?
>>
>> Dave Weiner
>>
>> -------
>>
>> My Paramount DVD of the 1953 film of WOTW (Special collector's edition) has what appears to be the complete 1938 radio broadcast in correct pitch/speed and excellent noise- free sound as one of the special features of the DVD. Compared to other versions I've heard this restoration is near miraculous. However, the fast forward. pause and reverse functions would not operate while playing the show on my current vintage DVD player, a major inconvenience easily solved with an external audio recorder. I purchased the DVD in 2006 and do not know if the currently available DVDs still contain the show as a special feature.
>> JD (Jackson)
>>
>> -------
>>
>> Was it intended to be broadcast only once without reference to the other
>> time zones? Was it transcribed by CBS for later broadcasting?
>>
>> Julian Vein
>>
>> --------
>>
>> It was LIVE LIVE LIVE and not even redone 3 hours later for the west coast.
>> Transcriptions existed only as reference recordings (line or air checks) or for
>> syndication to non-network stations because the radio networks had agreed for
>> years never to broadcast a record. The first exception was Herb Morrison's
>> Hindenburg report and as Mike Biel has said, it was the only one up to this
>> point. No such problems existed in Europe or at the Beeb or in Canada.
>>
>> dl
>>
>> -------
>>
>> "...Nelson Eddy's popularity at the time."? A phenomenon I've never understood.? Same goes for
>> Elvis,? the Beatles, and rap,? Oh well, de gustibus & all that, so long as I don't have to listen to it.? There
>> may be benighted people in the world who don't like
>> Landowska and Schiotz.
>>
>> Mike Harkin
>>
>> --------
>>
>> They also exist as a souvenir set made for the "director of the Mercury
>> Theatre and star of these broadcasts" which I have <grin>. The recording
>> was made by the Harry Smith studio of New York.
>>
>> Lennick is right: there apparently was no repeat broadcast, so listeners on
>> the west coast heard the show at 5 PM if they heard it at all. Remember,
>> this was a very obscure, non-sponsored series up against one of the top
>> comedy shows on the air.
>>
>> I still would like to pin down of the recording we have of the Chase and
>> Sanborn Charlie McCarthy show of that night (Oct. 30) is from the east or
>> west coast version. If the aircheck was made from a west coast station,
>> then it's not the same performance that most of the country was listening to
>> as Welles and his group put on their Hallowe'en Eve play...
>>
>> Sammy Jones
>>
>> ------
>>
>> And as pointed out by many of us, reports of nation-wide panics were
>> wildly exaggerated. The show didn't even air in some major markets
>> (Boston among them). A fine article from Slate about the mythology of
>> the War of the Worlds Broadcast for those who didn't see it:
>> http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/history/2013/10/orson_welles_war_of_the_worlds_panic_myth_the_infamous_radio_broadcast_did.single.html
>>
>> Donna Halper
>>
>> -------
>>
>> Musical taste, like beauty and funny, also rests with the beholder.
>> Is the Chase and Sanborn show cited available online somewhere? My
>> dad recalled they were listening to Nelson when the neighbors came
>> pounding on the door and they listened to the remainder of Wells all
>> the way to the can't soap all your windows line.
>>
>> rjh334578 at gmail.com
>>
>> ------
>>
>> Nothing, she was singing the sarong number!
>>
>> Julian Vein
>>
>> ---------
>>
>> Lots of C & S episodes including that one @:https://archive.org/details/BerganMccarthy
>>
>> David Diehl
>>
>> --------
>>
>> Now THAT is more credible than listeners automatically switching off at the end
>> of the first routine or the commercial or because Nelson Eddy came on. The
>> great unwashed had no idea who Orson Welles was on October 30, 1938. If they
>> changed stations, they might have been more likely to switch to a local one
>> playing music....depends on what was nearest to NBC on the dial in whatever city.
>>
>> dl
>>
>> ------
>>
>> Nelson Eddy was the star of the program and Don Ameche was the host.
>> When RHJ says his father said he was "listening to Nelson", he probably
>> was referring to the PROGRAM HEADLINER, not the content that was on the
>> air at the moment. Bergen and McCarthy were NOT the stars of the show.
>> Eddy opened the show with a song and was not the reason for the
>> tune-outs because the song was over at about 4 minutes into the show.
>> Then most of the cast did a conversational routine with Ameche,
>> including Bergen & McCarthy. There was a dramatic sketch after that,
>> and this might have been the tuneout. Listen tomorrow at 8 when
>> YesterdayUSA.com will play both shows in sync on our two channels.
>>
>> As for the dial spinning, after sunset almost all the independent
>> non-network stations were off the air. About all that most people could
>> pick up were multiples of network affiliates. Turn the dial and you
>> will hit several CBS stations with the drama.
>>
>> Mike Biel
>>
>> -----
>>
>> Thanks for this....added it on Facebook.
>>
>> dl
>>
>> ----
>>
>> The song in question was "Two Sleepy People," one of the big hits of the
>> moment -- not a bad version, either. But if people*had* tuned out then,
>> they would have ended up in the middle of Carl Phillips' description of the
>> meteor impact site.
>>
>> The only actual support for the "tuneout" story is in Hadley Cantril's book
>> -- which, in turn, is based on a personal survey he performed after the
>> broadcat. He sent out 846 survey cards to people who had heard at least part
>> of the Welles broadcast. 518 cards were returned, and of those, 18 percent
>> of those said they had also heard part of the Chase & Sanborn program.
>> Sixty-two percent of that 18 percent said they had tuned out of Chase &
>> Sanborn at the conclusion of Bergen's first routine -- which led into
>> Lamour's song. That's all the hard evidence that exists for the tuneout
>> story -- and if you do the math, it doesn't come to an awful lot of people.
>>
>> As Mike noted, Nelson Eddy wasn't just some random guest star -- he was a
>> headliner, one of the most popular male vocalists in the country in 1938 --
>> *the* most popular according to Radio Guide's annual poll -- and blaming him
>> for driving listeners away from the program is a sign that the one doing the
>> blaming has no idea what they're talking about.
>>
>> Elizabeth McLeod
>>
>> -------
>>
>> It dawned on me tonight (as I await the airing of the new PBS doc on the
>> show) that I don't own a copy of the famous Evolution double-LP set of the
>> War of the Worlds. I checked eBay, and all copies of Evolution 4001 appear
>> to be*gasp* simulated stereo.
>>
>> Did Evolution ever issue this version in mono? If not, are the CD copies in
>> circulation (Metacom, Radio Spirits) really sourced from this pseudo-stereo
>> record? Of the several CD restorations I've heard, the Metacom disc from
>> the mid-90s seems to be the least objectionable.
>>
>> I've got the Audio Rarities release, which I believe is cut. Any other
>> notable versions worth owning on LP?
>>
>> Sammy Jones
>>
>> ----
>>
>> The Longines Symphonette version is identical to the Evolution except that it
>> IS mono. It also has the overlapping dialogue at the 15 minute point (original
>> transcription discs sides 1 & 2) and about a 1-second blank spot somewhere
>> (don't ask me where, I transferred that thing to open reel decades ago and
>> spliced out the gap). Obviously a bit of leader someone neglected to remove, or
>> something similar.
>>
>> The Audio Rarities was the first version issued, in the 50s, from pretty bad
>> sources, missing the opening, sounding as if the last few minutes were from bad
>> 78 lacquers.
>>
>> dl
>>
>> ----
>>
>> Well, that's one I won't be keeping. But I did make it to the end. Wonder how
>> many people tuned out in panic within the first few minutes when the first
>> horrible fake accented talking head (who looked and sounded like John Cullum)
>> started spewing badly scripted bullshit? If they were going for reality, they
>> missed by light years, and if they were going for Spinal Tap, somebody needs to
>> learn them quick how to do that sort of thing. Wotta piece o' poop.
>>
>> Rehearsal cut on wax discs, eh?
>>
>> dl
>>
>> ---
>>
>> Forgot to mention that the Longines version is complete on one disc. The Radio
>> Spirits CD is a disaster, horribly overprocessed, and I got rid of it as
>> quickly as possible. I think it has the same overlap as the Evolution and
>> Longines transfers.
>>
>> dl
>>
>> ------
>>
>> I finally had a chance to check out my tape (7 1/2 IPS half track mono)
>> which I got a year before the Evolution LP set came out. Not checking
>> very closely in the past, I had thought that it was the same transfer as
>> used on the LP. It turns out that it was a different playing of the
>> same discs, and is no more than a second generation copy of the discs.
>> The overlap error of the first into the second disc is not on my tape.
>> It is perfectly done on mine. The same is true of several other places
>> where lines or words are missing, such as the professor looking down at
>> his blackened hands, worn shoes and tattered clothing, and later looking
>> over the spires of his university buildings. My tape is complete at
>> these points. This is checked in comparison with the two sets of 78 RPM
>> discs. The only thing missing from my tape is the first half sentence
>> at the start of disc side 3 at 30 minutes, right after the announcer
>> says "One moment, please." There was a lot of groove scratch and about
>> 10 words were not transferred. I can get them from other sources.
>>
>> I should have checked this tape -- and digitized it -- years ago. I
>> thought I had digitized it last year but do not find it on any CD or
>> hard drive. When I do it, and when I fix that start of side three and
>> use a cleaner version of the opening sentence from a 78 set, it will be
>> THE best version of WOW.
>>
>>
>> Mike Biel
>>
>> -----
>>
>> I wasn't home to see it, so will have to look at my DVD of it in the
>> morning. So I don't know what they said about the rehearsal, but I know
>> for a fact that it was lost because we have heard the story of it being
>> lost from the actor who had possession of the set and why he had them.
>> I have a set of rehearsal discs of an earlier Mercury Theater program,
>> and they were cut at Universal which was Raymond Scott's studio.
>>
>> Mike Biel
>>
>> -------
>>
>> Hi,Of 93 people sampled who listened to both shows, 58 tuned out of Chase and Sanborn at the same time. If Chase and Sanborn was a very popular show, then I'd say that survey does point to quite a lot of people total (and has a margin of error of whatever).What hard evidence is there that doesn't support the tuneout story?Joseph Scott[...]The only actual support for the "tuneout" story is in Hadley Cantril's book -- which, in turn, is based on a personal survey he performed after the broadcat. He sent out 846 survey cards to people who had heard at least part of the Welles broadcast. 518 cards were returned, and of those, 18 percent of those said they had also heard part of the Chase & Sanborn program. Sixty-two percent of that 18 percent said they had tuned out of Chase & Sanborn at the conclusion of Bergen's first routine -- which led into Lamour's song. That's all the hard evidence that exists for the tuneout story -- and if you do the math, it doesn't come to an awful l
> ot
>> of people."[...]
>>
>> Joe Scott
>>
>> --------
>>
>> Eighteen percent can spread a lot of alarm and despondancy: phoning friends and family, going round to neighbours etc.
>>
>>
>> Julian Vein
>>
>> ------
>>
>> What that figure doesn't include is that the majority of people who were
>> listening to Chase & Sanborn -- about 37 million according to Hooper, versus
>> about 6 million for Welles -- didn't tune out at all. They stayed with the
>> program all the way thru -- they didn't hear any part of the Welles program.
>>
>> And if we accept Cantril's figures, 82 percent of the people who tuned into
>> Welles from some other program tuned into it from some program other than
>> Chase & Sanborn. That doesn't leave an awful lot of people out of the whole
>> audience who didn't like Dorothy Lamour. The common story is that the Chase
>> & Sanborn audience tuned out en masse at the twelve-minute mark, but neither
>> Cantril nor any other source actually supports that.
>>
>> Elizabeth
>>
>> ------
>>
>> Another urban myth bites the dust!
>>
>> Mike Harkin
>>
>> ----
>>
>> Of course, some of the relatively small number who were listening to
>> Welles could have phoned or yelled to friends who were grooving on Chase
>> & Sanborn and sent them into a panic.
>>
>> Dave Weiner
>>
>> ---
>>
>> Listening to the broadcast last night and wondered if anybody can recall what the title of the song is that "Bobby Mellette and his Orchestra" play from the Hotel Martenelle in Brooklyn.
>>
>> Scott Wenzel
>>
>> --
>>
>> That's "Love Locked Out," a minor hit from the winter of 1933-34.
>>
>> Elizabeth
>>
>> -------
>>
>> Judging from Cantril's survey hundreds of thousands of people did the same thing, switched from Chase and Sanborn to Welles at the same time.
>> Joseph Scott
>>
>> -------
>>
>> Even so, that's just twelve percent of those who responded to Cantril's
>> survey, which is very much a minority of the total. The myth that's built up
>> over the decades is that "most of" those who tuned into WOTW partway thru
>> did so as a result of tuning out of Chase & Sanborn (or, specifically,
>> tuning out on Nelson Eddy, which we've already proven to be false, since
>> Eddy did not perform "after Bergen's first routine.") In fact, most of those
>> who joined WOTW in progress were tuning out on programs *other than Chase &
>> Sanborn* -- or they were simply turning the radio on after the program
>> started, and didn't tune out on any other program at all.
>>
>> Elizabeth
>>
>> -------
>>
>> The BBC Radio 4 programme is available for download at
>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03f86lh for those who can get it.
>>
>> Julian Vein
>>
>> ------
>>
>> Al Bowlly's rendering of that song is a favorite of mine.
>>
>>
>>
>> Don
>>
>> ----
>>
>> Did anyone download this War of the Worlds radio doc? By the time I got to
>> the site, the show was taken down (a real drawback to BBC Radio...).
>>
>> Sammy Jones
>>
>> --------
>>
>> I have it. There also was a Southern Calif Public Radio doc, plus a
>> Science Skeptic program which was very good. Had details of why the
>> story of widespread panic was bull.
>>
>> Mike Biel
>>
>> --------
>>
>> Didn't the Skeptical Enquirer magazine do something similar about 20
>> years ago?
>>
>> Julian Vein
>>
>> ---------
>>
>> I did, haven't listened yet. Don't know what I got....
>>
>> joe salerno
>>
>> ---------
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ---
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>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2020 10:09:21 -1000
>> From: Malcolm <malcolm at 78data.com.invalid>
>> Subject: [78-L] Transcriptions (78s & 33s)
>> To: 78-L Mail List <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
>> Message-ID: <84f10d5a-f919-c39f-57ba-0154f07440b5 at 78data.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>>
>> What different people call transcriptions seems to vary a lot.
>> To me the primary definition from which all other forms depend, is a 12"
>> or 16" plastic or instantaneous lacquer disc recorded at either 33.3rpm
>> or 78rpm. Usage of the material thereon is also important, but secondary
>> to the prime definition.
>> There are numerous collectors out there who consider other forms &
>> usages as transcriptions: test pressings, (Radio) air checks, Syndicated
>> radio shows, instantaneous lacquers, V-Discs, one-off recordings, and more.
>> One of the three projects I have been working on, especially now with
>> the ongoing "stay at home" routine in place, is a discography of
>> Hawaiian Transcriptions. Originally conceived by a Hawaiian record
>> collector in Europe I thought "here's a quick and easy piece of work
>> which I can tackle for a friend." Alas, I discovered there are far more
>> of them than I figured. Still manageable, though. I had already come to
>> the conclusion that "in discography there is no 'quick & easy'."
>> My other two projects are a 2nd updated and corrected edition of my
>> Hawaiian discography and a complete discography/ labelography of the
>> Starr Piano Company's output - Gennett, Champion, Superior, Silvertone,
>> Supertone, and on and on and on. I'm still working on all three.
>>
>> But I digress...
>> As to other forms & usages, here's my current take on the ones mentioned
>> above:
>>
>> Test pressings: these are not transcriptions even if recorded under the
>> prime definition.
>>
>> (Radio) air checks: these are not transcriptions even if recorded under
>> the prime definition.
>>
>> Syndicated radio shows: these are mostly transcriptions. See next category.
>>
>> Instantaneous lacquers: these can be transcriptions if they're copies of
>> actual transcriptions or if they are master recordings meant to be used
>> as physical masters for purposes of reproduction and/or syndication.
>>
>> V-Discs: Here's an odd mutation! These were used for over-the-air
>> broadcast by the Armed Services during and after WW2. Much, but not all,
>> of the material thereon was drawn from pre-existing commercial 78s,
>> especially in the format's earliest incarnation. Since these meet the
>> prime definition, even though the secondary definition has not been met,
>> I reluctantly consider V-Discs as transcriptions.
>>
>> One-off recordings: possible, especially if the master disc is used for
>> duplication and distribution to radio stations, for instance. But, since
>> the lacquer master record would be destroyed in the plating and
>> duplication process, the point is moot. So? Maybe.
>>
>> And more: I'm open to new definitions and ideas here.
>>
>> Thanks for the great topic, Dave!
>> Malcolm Rockwell
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2020 16:45:42 -0400
>> From: BURNHAM <burnhamd at rogers.com.invalid>
>> Subject: Re: [78-L] For Lennick
>> To: 78-L Mail List <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
>> Message-ID: <1025E1D5-EF5D-4FBE-9058-1541D2FD7EDB at rogers.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>
>> Hi Kurt
>>
>> Is this message for me or Dave Lennick?
>>
>> db
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Mar 31, 2020, at 22:34, Kurt Nauck <nauck at 78rpm.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?
>>> Hey Dave
>>>
>>> Every time your send a 78-L email, I receive 2 copies. Would you check
>>> your email settings and see if you aren't double sending your messages?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>>> On 3/31/2020 9:05 PM, David Lennick wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Musically, transcription can refer to an arrangement such as Bach 'transcribed for orchestra' by someone like Stokowski. In 78 context it's from the same era of recorded sound (pre-LP) and is short for 'electrical transcription' or 'radio transcription', a disc recorded off air or intended for broadcast in the days before tape.
>>>>
>>>> dl
>>>>
>>>> ---------- Original Message ----------
>>>> From: DKing <ginku_ledovec at att.net.invalid>
>>>> Date: March 31, 2020 at 7:55 PM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Many of you recently referred to ?transcription?.
>>>>
>>>> What does transcription mean in the context of 78?s,
>>>> and can it have more than one meaning?
>>>>
>>>> - Dave King
>>>>
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>> Message: 4
>> Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2020 16:48:35 -0400
>> From: Ron Roscoe <jamesw.henryb at gmail.com.invalid>
>> Subject: Re: [78-L] For 78's, What Does Transcription Mean?
>> To: "'78-L Mail List'" <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
>> Message-ID: <061101d60866$e9eb80e0$bdc282a0$@roscotron.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> Imagine that: electrical transcription!! I don't know if there was any other kind.
>>
>> When someone says "transcription" to me, I always think of 16" instantaneous" lacquer over aluminum base [glass during WW2] recordings made in a radio station. These were almost always 33 1/3 rpm 3mil or 1mil grooved discs that played for up to either 15 minutes or 30 minutes per side, a nice capability for radio broadcast. Many were pressed into vinyl and used by NBC, CBS, ABC etc. for distribution of radio shows across the country when the show couldn't be broadcast simultaneously nationwide to every market.
>>
>> I have a nice set of three lacquers of the first Bing Crosby show for Philco in December 1946, with Jimmy Durante. 33 1/3 rpm, 1 mil grooves.
>> I have no information on why these were made, I do know that Bing worked with Jack Mullen and Ampex to get his show distributed on early tape recordings. He advertised on this show the Philco "Bing Crosby" slide-in radio phonograph, probably the model 46-1201. [I own the later model 49-1401 with the "boomerang" speaker deck.]
>>
>> Ron Roscoe
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: 78-l-bounces at klickitat.78online.com [mailto:78-l-bounces at klickitat.78online.com] On Behalf Of David Weiner
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2020 2:57 PM
>> To: 78-L Mail List
>> Subject: Re: [78-L] For 78's, What Does Transcription Mean?
>>
>>
>> When I watched the movie LAURA years ago, I was always impressed by the scene where Laura is listening to her crazed killer-to-be Waldo on the radio, as a reassurance that he isn't stalking her. As the broadcast ends, he suddenly appears at Laura's bedroom door, and we hear the radio announcer intone, "The voice of Waldo Lydecker has been brought to you by electrical transcription." Shocking!
>>
>> Dave Weiner
>>
>> ?On 4/1/20, 9:14 AM, "Rodger J. Holtin" <78-l-bounces at klickitat.78online.com on behalf of rjh334578 at gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>
>> ?Transcription? was used rather euphemistically by the broadcasters for years. The networks viewed anything that was recorded as second-class sound, especially early on. The Hindenburg disaster helped to crack their general outright ban of recordings.
>>
>> Small stations, of course, relied heavily on them and on commercial phonograph records. Some artists attempted to thwart that and some labels of the 78 days even said ?broadcast prohibited,? to little or no avail. ?Electrical Transcriptions? were made just for that purpose and they generally sounded much better than commercial 78s - then and now.
>>
>> Somebody else can probably fill in more details here. There was also a time when anything recorded that was played over the air had to be identified as such so listeners would know that it was not live. I have heard taped programs that were identified as ?Transcribed in Chicago..? into the 1960s.
>>
>> Rodger Holtin
>>
>>
>>
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>> Message: 5
>> Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2020 21:03:38 +0000 (UTC)
>> From: David Lennick <dplennick at yahoo.com.invalid>
>> Subject: [78-L] Fw: For Lennick
>> To: 78-l at 78online.com, 78-l at 78online.com
>> Message-ID: <1399844905.616608.1585775018828 at mail.yahoo.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Forwarded Message -----
>> From: dlennick dlennick <dlennick at sympatico.ca>
>> To: David Lennick <dplennick at yahoo.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2020, 05:03:08 p.m. EDT
>> Subject: Re: [78-L] For Lennick
>>
>> It says "for Lennick" at the top but you can have it if you want, Dave!
>>
>> This will appear twice. Just because.
>>
>> dl
>>
>>
>>
>> ---------- Original Message ----------
>> From: BURNHAM <burnhamd at rogers.com.invalid>
>> Date: April 1, 2020 at 4:45 PM
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Kurt
>>
>> Is this message for me or Dave Lennick?
>>
>> db
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Mar 31, 2020, at 22:34, Kurt Nauck <nauck at 78rpm.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?
>>> Hey Dave
>>>
>>> Every time your send a 78-L email, I receive 2 copies. Would you check
>>> your email settings and see if you aren't double sending your messages?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>>> On 3/31/2020 9:05 PM, David Lennick wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Musically, transcription can refer to an arrangement such as Bach 'transcribed for orchestra' by someone like Stokowski. In 78 context it's from the same era of recorded sound (pre-LP) and is short for 'electrical transcription' or 'radio transcription', a disc recorded off air or intended for broadcast in the days before tape.
>>>>
>>>> dl
>>>>
>>>> ---------- Original Message ----------
>>>> From: DKing <ginku_ledovec at att.net.invalid>
>>>> Date: March 31, 2020 at 7:55 PM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Many of you recently referred to ?transcription?.
>>>>
>>>> What does transcription mean in the context of 78?s,
>>>> and can it have more than one meaning?
>>>>
>>>> - Dave King
>>>>
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>> Message: 6
>> Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2020 21:03:38 +0000 (UTC)
>> From: David Lennick <dplennick at yahoo.com.invalid>
>> Subject: [78-L] Fw: For Lennick
>> To: 78-l at 78online.com, 78-l at 78online.com
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>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
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>>
>>
>> ----- Forwarded Message -----
>> From: dlennick dlennick <dlennick at sympatico.ca>
>> To: David Lennick <dplennick at yahoo.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2020, 05:03:08 p.m. EDT
>> Subject: Re: [78-L] For Lennick
>>
>> It says "for Lennick" at the top but you can have it if you want, Dave!
>>
>> This will appear twice. Just because.
>>
>> dl
>>
>>
>>
>> ---------- Original Message ----------
>> From: BURNHAM <burnhamd at rogers.com.invalid>
>> Date: April 1, 2020 at 4:45 PM
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Kurt
>>
>> Is this message for me or Dave Lennick?
>>
>> db
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Mar 31, 2020, at 22:34, Kurt Nauck <nauck at 78rpm.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?
>>> Hey Dave
>>>
>>> Every time your send a 78-L email, I receive 2 copies. Would you check
>>> your email settings and see if you aren't double sending your messages?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>>> On 3/31/2020 9:05 PM, David Lennick wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Musically, transcription can refer to an arrangement such as Bach 'transcribed for orchestra' by someone like Stokowski. In 78 context it's from the same era of recorded sound (pre-LP) and is short for 'electrical transcription' or 'radio transcription', a disc recorded off air or intended for broadcast in the days before tape.
>>>>
>>>> dl
>>>>
>>>> ---------- Original Message ----------
>>>> From: DKing <ginku_ledovec at att.net.invalid>
>>>> Date: March 31, 2020 at 7:55 PM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Many of you recently referred to ?transcription?.
>>>>
>>>> What does transcription mean in the context of 78?s,
>>>> and can it have more than one meaning?
>>>>
>>>> - Dave King
>>>>
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>>>
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>>>
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>> Message: 7
>> Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2020 17:08:31 -0400
>> From: Ron Roscoe <jamesw.henryb at gmail.com.invalid>
>> Subject: Re: [78-L] Fw: For 78's, What Does Transcription Mean?
>> To: "'78-L Mail List'" <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
>> Message-ID: <062301d60869$b34a7d40$19df77c0$@roscotron.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> I would love to be able to print this out and read it at leisure, but this website fails when I try to print it.
>> Anyone have any ideas? I wanted to print two pages per side per sheet of printer paper to cut down on the size!
>> Michael Biel knows an awful lot about this stuff [!] and this is tantalizing!!
>>
>> Ron Roscoe
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: 78-l-bounces at klickitat.78online.com [mailto:78-l-bounces at klickitat.78online.com] On Behalf Of David Lennick
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2020 1:13 PM
>> To: 78-l at 78online.com; 78-l at 78online.com
>> Subject: [78-L] Fw: For 78's, What Does Transcription Mean?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: dlennick dlennick <dlennick at sympatico.ca>
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2020, 01:12:07 p.m. EDT
>> Subject: Re: [78-L] For 78's, What Does Transcription Mean?
>>
>> Here 'tis.
>>
>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0CorizNwT2xZzItelA1VlVPZEk/view
>>
>> dl
>>
>> ---------- Original Message ----------
>> From: Malcolm <malcolm at 78data.com.invalid>
>> Date: April 1, 2020 at 1:02 PM
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Dave -
>> You should read Dr. Biel's dissertation, "The Making and Use of
>> Recordings in Broadcasting Before 1936."
>> As I recall he goes into some detail about this topic.
>> It may still be available thru Kurt Nauck's website or in his auction
>> catalogs.
>> Malcolm
>>
>> *******
>>
>>> On 4/1/2020 3:41 AM, DKing wrote:
>>> Hi Rodger, that?s interesting that networks required ?live? performances, when a good recording could have save them money.
>>>
>>> When it comes to recorded vs. ?live? - what changes (if any) were made at the networks after the live broadcast of ?War of The World?, which caused so much panic amongst the public?
>>>
>>> - Dave King
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Apr 1, 2020, at 6:14 AM, Rodger J. Holtin <rjh334578 at gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ?Transcription? was used rather euphemistically by the broadcasters for years. The networks viewed anything that was recorded as second-class sound, especially early on. The Hindenburg disaster helped to crack their general outright ban of recordings.
>>>>
>>>> Small stations, of course, relied heavily on them and on commercial phonograph records. Some artists attempted to thwart that and some labels of the 78 days even said ?broadcast prohibited,? to little or no avail. ?Electrical Transcriptions? were made just for that purpose and they generally sounded much better than commercial 78s - then and now.
>>>>
>>>> Somebody else can probably fill in more details here. There was also a time when anything recorded that was played over the air had to be identified as such so listeners would know that it was not live. I have heard taped programs that were identified as ?Transcribed in Chicago..? into the 1960s.
>>>>
>>>> Rodger Holtin
>>>> 78-L Member Since MCMXCVIII
>>>>
>>>> For Best Results Use Victor Needles
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my sluggish old iPhone, which explainz any bad typjng, bad spellimg, nonsensical word choices, delays and all other lapses.
>>>>> On Apr 1, 2020, at 7:28 AM, DKing <ginku_ledovec at att.net.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks, Kristjan. You?re right.
>>>>>
>>>>> Transformation or remake is a more appropriate term
>>>>> for what Scott Bradlee does with Postmodern Jukebox.
>>>>>
>>>>> I?m always amazed by how many great singers and musicians
>>>>> are out there, whether on LP?s or 78?s, and keeping live music
>>>>> in mind too.
>>>>>
>>>>> - Dave King
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Apr 1, 2020, at 2:40 AM, Kristjan Saag <saag at telia.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Transcription, etymologically, means to write across, over or beyond.
>>>>>> And, in music, is originally used when scores are involved. Either
>>>>>> making a score from previously unannotated music or creating a new score
>>>>>> for a different instrumental setting. Annotated arrangements may be
>>>>>> labelled as transcriptions as well, but usually take more liberties and,
>>>>>> if sufficiently different, can be copyrighted.
>>>>>> I wouldn't use the word transcription for "remakes" in popular music,
>>>>>> not even for arrangements in jazz music, which usually also give room
>>>>>> for large proportions of improvisation.
>>>>>> Scott Bradlee's "transformations" are delicate, especially when Robyn
>>>>>> Adele Anderson is involved in performing, but let's call them
>>>>>> "transformations" or "remakes" instead.
>>>>>> As for the other meaning of the word, when making a recording of a
>>>>>> broadcast, the type of music, of course, is irrelevant.
>>>>>> Kristjan
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2020-04-01 06:57, DKing wrote:
>>>>>>> Thanks David, that makes sense. And it helped seeing your example of
>>>>>>> musical transcription too. If you approve of the idea of taking one
>>>>>>> type of music and putting it into a new arrangement for a different
>>>>>>> style of music, you might like the work of Scott Bradlee?s ?Postmodern
>>>>>>> Jukebox?. For example, take ?Boulevard of Broken Dreams?, where Green
>>>>>>> Day's rock & roll is transformed by Bradlee. Note by Scott Bradlee,
>>>>>>> who is on the piano: "On our day off on tour we brought Maiya Sykes
>>>>>>> into the studio, where she delivered this powerful, emotionally raw
>>>>>>> performance of Green Day's "Boulevard of Broken Dreams" on the very
>>>>>>> first take. Folks, Maiya Sykes is the real deal, and everyone should
>>>>>>> know about this incredible vocalist."
>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riZck9O-kBU
>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riZck9O-kBU> The comparison is a long
>>>>>>> way from classical music, so I hope I?m forgiven by Stokowski. - Dave
>>>>>>> King
>>>>>>>> On Mar 31, 2020, at 7:05 PM, David Lennick
>>>>>>>> <dplennick at yahoo.com.invalid> wrote: Musically, transcription can
>>>>>>>> refer to an arrangement such as Bach 'transcribed for orchestra' by
>>>>>>>> someone like Stokowski. In 78 context it's from the same era of
>>>>>>>> recorded sound (pre-LP) and is short for 'electrical transcription'
>>>>>>>> or 'radio transcription', a disc recorded off air or intended for
>>>>>>>> broadcast in the days before tape. dl ---------- Original Message
>>>>>>>> ---------- From: DKing <ginku_ledovec at att.net.invalid> Date: March
>>>>>>>> 31, 2020 at 7:55 PM Many of you recently referred to ?transcription?.
>>>>>>>> What does transcription mean in the context of 78?s, and can it have
>>>>>>>> more than one meaning? - Dave King
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>> Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2020 21:17:21 +0000
>> From: Michael Biel <mbiel at mbiel.com.invalid>
>> Subject: Re: [78-L] Fw: For 78's, What Does Transcription Mean?
>> To: 78-L Mail List <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
>> Message-ID:
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>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252"
>>
>> Your webmail program on your computer should have a print function, but it is different for each program, not dependent on the listserv. I would try to cut and paste onto a message to yourself or word processing document.
>>
>> Mike Biel
>>
>> Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
>> ________________________________
>> From: 78-l-bounces at klickitat.78online.com <78-l-bounces at klickitat.78online.com> on behalf of Ron Roscoe <jamesw.henryb at gmail.com.invalid>
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2020 5:08:31 PM
>> To: '78-L Mail List' <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
>> Subject: Re: [78-L] Fw: For 78's, What Does Transcription Mean?
>>
>>
>> I would love to be able to print this out and read it at leisure, but this website fails when I try to print it.
>> Anyone have any ideas? I wanted to print two pages per side per sheet of printer paper to cut down on the size!
>> Michael Biel knows an awful lot about this stuff [!] and this is tantalizing!!
>>
>> Ron Roscoe
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: 78-l-bounces at klickitat.78online.com [mailto:78-l-bounces at klickitat.78online.com] On Behalf Of David Lennick
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2020 1:13 PM
>> To: 78-l at 78online.com; 78-l at 78online.com
>> Subject: [78-L] Fw: For 78's, What Does Transcription Mean?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: dlennick dlennick <dlennick at sympatico.ca>
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2020, 01:12:07 p.m. EDT
>> Subject: Re: [78-L] For 78's, What Does Transcription Mean?
>>
>> Here 'tis.
>>
>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0CorizNwT2xZzItelA1VlVPZEk/view
>>
>> dl
>>
>> ---------- Original Message ----------
>> From: Malcolm <malcolm at 78data.com.invalid>
>> Date: April 1, 2020 at 1:02 PM
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Dave -
>> You should read Dr. Biel's dissertation, "The Making and Use of
>> Recordings in Broadcasting Before 1936."
>> As I recall he goes into some detail about this topic.
>> It may still be available thru Kurt Nauck's website or in his auction
>> catalogs.
>> Malcolm
>>
>> *******
>>
>>> On 4/1/2020 3:41 AM, DKing wrote:
>>> Hi Rodger, that?s interesting that networks required ?live? performances, when a good recording could have save them money.
>>>
>>> When it comes to recorded vs. ?live? - what changes (if any) were made at the networks after the live broadcast of ?War of The World?, which caused so much panic amongst the public?
>>>
>>> - Dave King
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Apr 1, 2020, at 6:14 AM, Rodger J. Holtin <rjh334578 at gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ?Transcription? was used rather euphemistically by the broadcasters for years. The networks viewed anything that was recorded as second-class sound, especially early on. The Hindenburg disaster helped to crack their general outright ban of recordings.
>>>>
>>>> Small stations, of course, relied heavily on them and on commercial phonograph records. Some artists attempted to thwart that and some labels of the 78 days even said ?broadcast prohibited,? to little or no avail. ?Electrical Transcriptions? were made just for that purpose and they generally sounded much better than commercial 78s - then and now.
>>>>
>>>> Somebody else can probably fill in more details here. There was also a time when anything recorded that was played over the air had to be identified as such so listeners would know that it was not live. I have heard taped programs that were identified as ?Transcribed in Chicago..? into the 1960s.
>>>>
>>>> Rodger Holtin
>>>> 78-L Member Since MCMXCVIII
>>>>
>>>> For Best Results Use Victor Needles
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my sluggish old iPhone, which explainz any bad typjng, bad spellimg, nonsensical word choices, delays and all other lapses.
>>>>> On Apr 1, 2020, at 7:28 AM, DKing <ginku_ledovec at att.net.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks, Kristjan. You?re right.
>>>>>
>>>>> Transformation or remake is a more appropriate term
>>>>> for what Scott Bradlee does with Postmodern Jukebox.
>>>>>
>>>>> I?m always amazed by how many great singers and musicians
>>>>> are out there, whether on LP?s or 78?s, and keeping live music
>>>>> in mind too.
>>>>>
>>>>> - Dave King
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Apr 1, 2020, at 2:40 AM, Kristjan Saag <saag at telia.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Transcription, etymologically, means to write across, over or beyond.
>>>>>> And, in music, is originally used when scores are involved. Either
>>>>>> making a score from previously unannotated music or creating a new score
>>>>>> for a different instrumental setting. Annotated arrangements may be
>>>>>> labelled as transcriptions as well, but usually take more liberties and,
>>>>>> if sufficiently different, can be copyrighted.
>>>>>> I wouldn't use the word transcription for "remakes" in popular music,
>>>>>> not even for arrangements in jazz music, which usually also give room
>>>>>> for large proportions of improvisation.
>>>>>> Scott Bradlee's "transformations" are delicate, especially when Robyn
>>>>>> Adele Anderson is involved in performing, but let's call them
>>>>>> "transformations" or "remakes" instead.
>>>>>> As for the other meaning of the word, when making a recording of a
>>>>>> broadcast, the type of music, of course, is irrelevant.
>>>>>> Kristjan
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2020-04-01 06:57, DKing wrote:
>>>>>>> Thanks David, that makes sense. And it helped seeing your example of
>>>>>>> musical transcription too. If you approve of the idea of taking one
>>>>>>> type of music and putting it into a new arrangement for a different
>>>>>>> style of music, you might like the work of Scott Bradlee?s ?Postmodern
>>>>>>> Jukebox?. For example, take ?Boulevard of Broken Dreams?, where Green
>>>>>>> Day's rock & roll is transformed by Bradlee. Note by Scott Bradlee,
>>>>>>> who is on the piano: "On our day off on tour we brought Maiya Sykes
>>>>>>> into the studio, where she delivered this powerful, emotionally raw
>>>>>>> performance of Green Day's "Boulevard of Broken Dreams" on the very
>>>>>>> first take. Folks, Maiya Sykes is the real deal, and everyone should
>>>>>>> know about this incredible vocalist."
>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riZck9O-kBU
>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riZck9O-kBU> The comparison is a long
>>>>>>> way from classical music, so I hope I?m forgiven by Stokowski. - Dave
>>>>>>> King
>>>>>>>> On Mar 31, 2020, at 7:05 PM, David Lennick
>>>>>>>> <dplennick at yahoo.com.invalid> wrote: Musically, transcription can
>>>>>>>> refer to an arrangement such as Bach 'transcribed for orchestra' by
>>>>>>>> someone like Stokowski. In 78 context it's from the same era of
>>>>>>>> recorded sound (pre-LP) and is short for 'electrical transcription'
>>>>>>>> or 'radio transcription', a disc recorded off air or intended for
>>>>>>>> broadcast in the days before tape. dl ---------- Original Message
>>>>>>>> ---------- From: DKing <ginku_ledovec at att.net.invalid> Date: March
>>>>>>>> 31, 2020 at 7:55 PM Many of you recently referred to ?transcription?.
>>>>>>>> What does transcription mean in the context of 78?s, and can it have
>>>>>>>> more than one meaning? - Dave King
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