[78-L] For 78's, What Does Transcription Mean?

Wed Apr 1 10:02:39 PDT 2020

The previous theread on "War Of The Worlds" was started by Cary and 
Julian on October 28, 2013 and went on for a week with about 50 posts. 
I'm not sure what to do with it. Suggestions?
Kristjan

On 2020-04-01 17:48, Rodger J. Holtin wrote:
> And let me call upon Kristjan to comb his 78-L archives to find the 
> great exchanges we had about the overblown hype about War of the 
> Worlds. MOST folks were listening to Nelson Eddy and Charlie McCarthy. 
> Rodger Holtin 78-L Member Since MCMXCVIII For Best Results Use Victor 
> Needles Sent from my sluggish old iPhone, which explainz any bad 
> typjng, bad spellimg, nonsensical word choices, delays and all other 
> lapses.
>> On Apr 1, 2020, at 8:41 AM, DKing <ginku_ledovec at att.net.invalid> 
>> wrote: Hi Rodger, that’s interesting that networks required “live” 
>> performances, when a good recording could have save them money. When 
>> it comes to recorded vs. “live” - what changes (if any) were made at 
>> the networks after the live broadcast of “War of The World”, which 
>> caused so much panic amongst the public? - Dave King
>>> On Apr 1, 2020, at 6:14 AM, Rodger J. Holtin 
>>> <rjh334578 at gmail.com.invalid> wrote: “Transcription” was used rather 
>>> euphemistically by the broadcasters for years. The networks viewed 
>>> anything that was recorded as second-class sound, especially early 
>>> on. The Hindenburg disaster helped to crack their general outright 
>>> ban of recordings. Small stations, of course, relied heavily on them 
>>> and on commercial phonograph records. Some artists attempted to 
>>> thwart that and some labels of the 78 days even said “broadcast 
>>> prohibited,” to little or no avail. “Electrical Transcriptions” were 
>>> made just for that purpose and they generally sounded much better 
>>> than commercial 78s - then and now. Somebody else can probably fill 
>>> in more details here. There was also a time when anything recorded 
>>> that was played over the air had to be identified as such so 
>>> listeners would know that it was not live. I have heard taped 
>>> programs that were identified as “Transcribed in Chicago..” into the 
>>> 1960s. Rodger Holtin 78-L Member Since MCMXCVIII For Best Results 
>>> Use Victor Needles Sent from my sluggish old iPhone, which explainz 
>>> any bad typjng, bad spellimg, nonsensical word choices, delays and 
>>> all other lapses.
>>>> On Apr 1, 2020, at 7:28 AM, DKing <ginku_ledovec at att.net.invalid> 
>>>> wrote: Thanks, Kristjan. You’re right. Transformation or remake is 
>>>> a more appropriate term for what Scott Bradlee does with Postmodern 
>>>> Jukebox. I’m always amazed by how many great singers and musicians 
>>>> are out there, whether on LP’s or 78’s, and keeping live music in 
>>>> mind too. - Dave King
>>>>> On Apr 1, 2020, at 2:40 AM, Kristjan Saag <saag at telia.com.invalid> 
>>>>> wrote: Transcription, etymologically, means to write across, over 
>>>>> or beyond. And, in music, is originally used when scores are 
>>>>> involved. Either making a score from previously unannotated music 
>>>>> or creating a new score for a different instrumental setting. 
>>>>> Annotated arrangements may be labelled as transcriptions as well, 
>>>>> but usually take more liberties and, if sufficiently different, 
>>>>> can be copyrighted. I wouldn't use the word transcription for 
>>>>> "remakes" in popular music, not even for arrangements in jazz 
>>>>> music, which usually also give room for large proportions of 
>>>>> improvisation. Scott Bradlee's "transformations" are delicate, 
>>>>> especially when Robyn Adele Anderson is involved in performing, 
>>>>> but let's call them "transformations" or "remakes" instead. As for 
>>>>> the other meaning of the word, when making a recording of a 
>>>>> broadcast, the type of music, of course, is irrelevant. Kristjan
>>>>>> On 2020-04-01 06:57, DKing wrote: Thanks David, that makes sense. 
>>>>>> And it helped seeing your example of musical transcription too. 
>>>>>> If you approve of the idea of taking one type of music and 
>>>>>> putting it into a new arrangement for a different style of music, 
>>>>>> you might like the work of Scott Bradlee’s “Postmodern Jukebox”. 
>>>>>> For example, take “Boulevard of Broken Dreams”, where Green Day's 
>>>>>> rock & roll is transformed by Bradlee. Note by Scott Bradlee, who 
>>>>>> is on the piano: "On our day off on tour we brought Maiya Sykes 
>>>>>> into the studio, where she delivered this powerful, emotionally 
>>>>>> raw performance of Green Day's "Boulevard of Broken Dreams" on 
>>>>>> the very first take. Folks, Maiya Sykes is the real deal, and 
>>>>>> everyone should know about this incredible vocalist." 
>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riZck9O-kBU 
>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riZck9O-kBU> The comparison is a 
>>>>>> long way from classical music, so I hope I’m forgiven by 
>>>>>> Stokowski. - Dave King
>>>>>>> On Mar 31, 2020, at 7:05 PM, David Lennick 
>>>>>>> <dplennick at yahoo.com.invalid> wrote: Musically, transcription 
>>>>>>> can refer to an arrangement such as Bach 'transcribed for 
>>>>>>> orchestra' by someone like Stokowski. In 78 context it's from 
>>>>>>> the same era of recorded sound (pre-LP) and is short for 
>>>>>>> 'electrical transcription' or 'radio transcription', a disc 
>>>>>>> recorded off air or intended for broadcast in the days before 
>>>>>>> tape. dl ---------- Original Message ---------- From: DKing 
>>>>>>> <ginku_ledovec at att.net.invalid> Date: March 31, 2020 at 7:55 PM 
>>>>>>> Many of you recently referred to “transcription”. What does 
>>>>>>> transcription mean in the context of 78’s, and can it have more 
>>>>>>> than one meaning? - Dave King 
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