[78-L] Goodman / Carnegie at 80

Mark Bardenwerper citrogsa at charter.net.invalid
Sat Jan 20 19:54:33 PST 2018

On 1/20/2018 9:25 PM, Mark Bardenwerper wrote:
> On 1/20/2018 9:17 PM, Mark Bardenwerper wrote:
>> On 1/20/2018 1:41 PM, Rodger Holtin wrote:
>>> Yeah, interesting article, but really raises as many questions as it
>>> answers.  What happened to the copy that supposedly went to the Library of
>>> Congress, per Benny's narrative?  Did Helen Ward's copy vanish?  Which is
>>> which, where?
>>> I assume Benny's account of the number of copies in his narrative was PR
>>> shorthand, not factual.
>>> An aside: Did you guys choke on the link for "acetate"?  What a hoot.
>>> But the use of multiple cutters does explain for me why the eq changes in
>>> mid-tune and during applause segments, which I would not have expected to
>>> have happened as often with 16" at 33 1/3rpm.
>>> Rodger Holtin
>>> Henderson, TN
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>>> Very confusing article..almost sounds as if there were 6 cutters involved,
>>> if CBS was also recording it (implied). And lacquers with 8 minute capacity
>>> would be 33rpm 12 inch, unless the writer meant 2-sided 78s. This is a mess.
>> I dunno. Sounds to me like the Smith recorded with his two cutters to
>> make one set while another set was cut at Universal Recording Studio.
>> With two sets of acetates, there was surely mostly overlap, but in the
>> event of a failure, the second set would have served to fill in.
>> There was a story floating around that Goodman had stashed his in a
>> closet and his sister-in-law stumbled upon them much later.
>> https://www.loc.gov/programs/static/national-recording-preservation-board/documents/BennyGoodman.pdf
>> Interesting how different versions move the facts around to suite space
>> and audience. I actually think the website I found had information
>> lifted from a book, possibly the one reviewed here.
>> https://swingandbeyond.com/2017/01/01/reads-and-re-reads-benny-goodmans-1938-carnegie-hall-concert/
> ...and not knowing for sure, as far as the aluminum masters are
> concerned, perhaps the writer's use of the word, "meanwhile," may be
> explained by a reviewer here:
> https://www.discogs.com/Benny-Goodman-Live-At-Carnegie-Hall/release/2793301
> which would mean the there were, indeed three versions cut at the time
> of the concert.
The CBS studio aluminums, (or were they acetate coated aluminum?) caught 
up in a swarm of legal problems, were stashed, to be found much later, 
in a deteriorated state. However, it appears as if they were more 
complete than the acetates.

Mark L. Bardenwerper, Sr.
Technology...responsibly, thoughtfully

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