[78-L] FW: Pop Tunes and Grammar

Sun Oct 9 06:15:55 PDT 2016

You can hear the Freberg "Elderly Man River" skit here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLlTlYfqQV4

Gene

On Sun, Oct 9, 2016 at 1:26 AM, Dave Burnham <burnhamd at rogers.com.invalid>
wrote:

>
> Racist?  Why racist??
>
> db
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Oct 9, 2016, at 12:55 AM, Rodger Holtin 78-L
> <rjh334578 at gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Visited by the censor?  It was Freberg who did a versio n of Sh-Boom
> where was was the director and told the singers to mumble. "You guys wanna
> sell rhythm n blues records ya gotta mumble." Or something like that. That
> could be considered racist in today's ultra touchy climate.
> >
> > Reckon he was clairvoyant.
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone, which explainz any bad typjng and nonsensical word
> choices.
> >
> >> On Oct 8, 2016, at 7:51 PM, Dave Burnham <burnhamd at rogers.com.invalid>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> That's the one; thanks, Gene.
> >>
> >> db
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Oct 8, 2016, at 7:52 PM, Gene Baron <gene.baron at gmail.com.invalid>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Stan Freberg did the very funny "Elderly Man River" routine as part of
> a segment where a censor has come to monitor the show.
> >>>
> >>> Gene
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPad
> >>>
> >>>> On Oct 8, 2016, at 3:53 PM, Dave Burnham <burnhamd at rogers.com.invalid>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I think this is going to inspire all sorts of responses, reminiscent
> of the famous, (so famous that the singer's name escapes me), version of
> the politically correct "Elderly man river". One I always used to sing to
> my daughter was "There is nothing like a lady" from "South Pacific".
> >>>>
> >>>> db
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Oct 8, 2016, at 3:33 PM, Ron L'Herault
> <lherault at verizon.net.invalid> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Which brings to mine, "Old Cape Cod," where your seafood can be
> "served by a window with an ocean view."   Seems to me, windows can't serve
> food.  Should have read perhaps, "served near a window with an ocean view,
> " don't you think?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Ron L
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> >>>>> Thought some of you might like this article which leads off with
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> So I kept trying to rewrite it. Alas, the best line I ever came up with was
> “till the stars fall in the sea for you and me.”
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> that and you can kiss your hit record goodbye—along with your street cred.
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