[78-L] Fletcher Henderson 78

[David Lennick]

Canadian Victor used fat labels and 3 sizes of small ones into the early 40s. 
There are fat buff and fat blue Bluebirds. Only occasionally did the grooves 
run into the label, one notable example being the Private Record of A. J. 
Scammell's "Squid Jigging Ground". Decca in Canada was even more reluctant to 
go to small labels, finally changing in 1946. The US masters usually 
accommodated the larger Canadian size but not always, and it can be very 
difficult to read matrix numbers on these pressings (especially since Compo 
never printed mx numbers on the labels).

dl

On 1/8/2015 4:25 AM, Royal Pemberton wrote:
>
> 'Fat-labeled'?  Is it me or do a lot of Canadian Bluebirds look as though
> they didn't adopt the nominal 3" label that the US companies more or less
> settled upon around 1930, but continued to use the slightly larger size
> that was previously typical?  (With the result that the leadout spirals
> often go into eccentric grooves running into the labels.  I have seen
> pictures of numerous German Brunswicks from the 1930s that also used the
> larger labels, and it seems they added an extra concentric stop groove
> where the spiral would go into the eccentric stop groove on Brunswicks made
> after ARC bought Columbia and began recording with their equipment.)
>
> On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 6:58 AM, DAVID BURNHAM<burnhamd at rogers.com.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Oh I'm very aware of that!  In Canada, Wilf Carter, Hank Snow and many
>> others recorded for Bluebird, as, in the U.S. of course, did Glen Miller,
>> Artie Shaw etc. etc., in fact I would believe that MOST Bluebirds are not
>> reissues. I've loved the Bluebird label since I was a child, probably
>> because my favourite colour was blue.  I remember in the '40s when new
>> Bluebird records came into the house and I remember the shiny black surface
>> with the rainbow colours dancing over the surface and, of course the rich
>> blue label with the gold writing.  I find today that either my memory is
>> faulty or records which you know have never seen the light of day just
>> don't have the same sheen as they did back then.
>> db
>>
>>       On Thursday, January 8, 2015 1:20 AM, Cary Ginell
>> <soundthink at live.com.invalid>  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> There are MANY Bluebirds that are collector's items. I'll give just one
>> example. B-5942 by Jimmie Rodgers contains "My Good Gal's Gone Blues,"
>> featuring the Louisville Jug Band. This is by far the rarest of any Rodgers
>> Bluebird, and rarer than most of his Victors as well, because it wasn't
>> issued until after his death in 1933, in the worst record selling year of
>> the Depression. It never shows up on auction lists and would likely bring
>> several hundred dollars, if not more, if it ever was listed. Bluebird
>> wasn't just a reissue label; there were many original issues in the 1930s
>> that are desperately scarce: hot jazz, blues, country, and Cajun. It's one
>> of my favorite labels.
>>
>> Cary Ginell
>> On Jan 7, 2015, at 9:13 PM, DAVID BURNHAM<burnhamd at rogers.com.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Bluebird 78s seem to abound in any record collection I doubt if any of
>> them is rare enough to become a collectors' item and I'm not really
>> interested in the monetary value of records generally anyway, but I came
>> across one record which I like simply because of the physical artifact
>> itself.  It is a U.S. pressed Bluebird with the "Victor" label style used
>> between fall 1938 and fall 1943 of Fletcher Henderson's Band, Number B
>> 10246.  It is in such pristine condition, (it came from the CBC library and
>> the surface shines like a new record), that I'm sure it hasn't been played
>> more than half a dozen times if at all, (well it's been played once because
>> I just played it).  What is particularly attractive about it is that even
>> though it's a reissue, from April 27, 1927, unusual for Bluebird, they
>> obviously used the original 1927 stampers.  There is no distortion and the
>> surface is so clean that switching CEDAR on and off resulted in no audible
>> change in surface noise whatsoever.
>>> I'm curious to know if the U.S. ever pressed fat labeled Bluebirds; I've
>> never seen one.  I have fat labeled Canadian pressings, both of the Buff
>> labels and of the label style mentioned above, but no fat U.S. Labels.
>>> db
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