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> I understand Gramophone Company catalogue numbers much better than Victor.
Catalogue numbers for 12" records began witha zero; 10" records had no zero,
but both Victor and the Gramophone Company made 10"/12" versions of the
same song early on,
the 10" version would have been more affordable.
Apart from the zero (if there), the next number indicated language, so 2 =
3 = French, 4 = German, 5 = Italian, 6 = Spanish etc.
When they'd got up to about 10000 on that series, they started a second
series. as in
2-033000, which would a French 12".
The series had nothing to do with the genre of music or whether the record
was a red or black label release.
In that way, it was NOT like Victor. The shorter catalogue numbers, such as
2-2651 were the default language...English.
Again, the 2- means the second series and, again, the series is not
genre-specific, but simply numerical in order of release.
> 1. Monarch / Victor question (78-L Mail List)
> The red US Monarch 5000 10" series mentions Victor TM Co Camden on the
> Thus some sellers list it as Vic Monarch.
> The real Victor 5000 series is a very different series, black label, with
> popular music.
> Victor 5019 is by Miss Stevenson, Mr. Macdonough and Mr. Dudley:
> I'll Wait For You Little Girlie (from label image; I did not check EDVR).
> Vic 5012 is by Arthur Pryor (8-inch; notice dated July 1, 1906) (from
> EDVR should list the Monarch as a Monarch, not a Victor, I think.
> I do not have images of 91016, but have label scan of 91013 by Caruso (Non
> T'Amo Tui)
> on Victor (red Recorded In Europe label, with 1 Jan 1904 notice) and found
> Monarch 91015 (with similar Made... legend along upper border) on popsike
> Gramophone is a difficult label. I have a scan of black G&T G.C.-2-2651 by
> Mr. Andrew Black,
> Curate Song, but do not know if this is the same series as Gr 2-2662.
> I also found a scan of (is this 12" or an early 10" series ?):
> G&T (Gramophone Monarch) V.M.-032026 with Deux Grenadiers by Plancon. Same
> recording ?
> Does V.M. refer to Victor Monarch ?
> And G&T 032085 (without prefix) has Plancon: Le Caid (as has Monarch 91015
> & Vic 5017).
> Or did Victor make 10" & 12" recordings of the same title?
> If you want scans of these label types I can send them, but popsike is a
> useful source
> if you search by artist or label.
> han enderman
> jcenderman at solcon.nl
> >>> I have a question about a Victor vs Monarch issue.
> I have a copy of Monarch 91016 - Les Deux Grenadiers / Pol Plancon. The
> original issue, as much as I've been able to find out, was Gramophone
> I tried to find if a copy of the record has ever turned up on ebay, but
> the closest I was able to find was Monarch 91015, also by Plancon. The
> October 2012 auction listing said, in part: "It was recorded in March of
> 1902, originally issued on G&T #2-2664 and first seen in the US on Victor
> 5017. This issue dates from 1904."
> My question is, did the person who sold the record misstate the original
> listing as on Victor? I was under the impression that the use of the
> Monarch name was replaced by Victor and that 5017 would have been on
> Monarch rather than Victor. ... Based on that seller's listing and the
> EDVR, the Monarch I have was first issued in the US on either Monarch or
> Victor 5019.
> ArtZ - zimrec at juno.com
> Take Date and Place Take Status Label Name/Number Format Note
> 5/1902 (London, England)  Master Gramophone 2-2662 10" disc
> 5/1902 (London, England)  Master Victor 5019 10" disc
> 5/1902 (London, England)  Master Victor 91016 10" disc
> - No, they don't show it as on Monarch.
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> On 5/4/2014 1:55 PM, 78-L Mail List wrote:
> > Someone actually thinks a Walter C. Kelly record is worth more than five
> > dl
> I've got a set of four, and have recently been contemplating getting rid
> of them because he's so offensive (made the mistake of listening to them
> once). He strikes me as an anomaly - though other early comic performers
> on record regularly evoked racial stereotypes, they weren't really mean
> about it, whereas Kelly is just nasty.
> David Sanderson
> East Waterford Maine
> dwsanderson685 at roadrunner.com
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