[78-L] Flexo Record questions

[Dave Burnham]

I find the opposite to be the case far more often - where the end of the record, (usually the loudest part of the record), is torn and damaged. 

db

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> On Mar 15, 2014, at 1:19 PM, "Ron L'Herault" <lherault at verizon.net> wrote:
> 
> Yes, but by then the needle has been shaped to the groove and should still
> be in good "shape", assuming you are not re-using a needle more than once.
> Even needles that have been reused do minmal damage by the end of the
> record.  Think of how many records you've seen with graing, nasty sounding
> initial grooves that don't sound too bad by the end.
> 
> Ron L
> 
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> [mailto:78-l-bounces at klickitat.78online.com] On Behalf Of Dave Burnham
> Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 12:41 PM
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> Subject: Re: [78-L] Flexo Record questions
> 
> That seems strange!  Surely the runout groove is usually played after a
> needle has played the record. 
> 
> db
> 
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> 
>>> On Mar 15, 2014, at 11:45 AM, "Ron L'Herault" <lherault at verizon.net>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Seems to me Victor Tungstone needles recommended the runout as well.  
>> That way you are dealing with grooves that have not been damaged as 
>> much by worn needles and you have little  danger of getting into the 
>> good part of the disk while trying to prepare the needle.
>> 
>> Ron L
>> 
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>> [mailto:78-l-bounces at klickitat.78online.com] On Behalf Of 
>> neechevoneeznayou at gmail.com
>> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2014 11:15 PM
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>> Subject: Re: [78-L] Flexo Record questions
>> 
>> Yes, that much I know but did not state clearly in the post. What I 
>> hadn't seen was instructions to wear the thing in properly at the end 
>> of the record before playing. Why not at the beginning? Seems like an 
>> inconvenience. Would the inside grooves be any different? (Other than 
>> slower surface speed.) Or does this refer to a center start record?
>> (which Flexo did make, I have learned)
>> 
>> So I assume Flexos were produced in pretty much the same way as any 
>> other record, just the record material is different. Maybe a little 
>> quicker to cool in the press...
>> 
>> js
>> 
>>> On 3/14/2014 9:43 PM, Ron L'Herault wrote:
>>> Probably to wear it to the right shape/"deburr" it.
>>> 
>>> Ron L
>>> 
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>>> [mailto:78-l-bounces at klickitat.78online.com] On Behalf Of 
>>> neechevoneeznayou at gmail.com
>>> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2014 6:13 PM
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>>> Subject: Re: [78-L] Flexo Record questions
>>> 
>>> Come to think, I did see a 16" Flexo at Kurt's once upon a time. I 
>>> don't remember what it contained. I do recall that it seemed rather
>> curled.
>>> 
>>> The label and the little insert that I discovered after I posted do 
>>> say that a new steel needle is OK, but not one that has been used 
>>> previously on a shellac record. It also suggests letting it ride thru 
>>> the quiet inner grooves just a little bit before playing the record 
>>> (outside start). Never saw this before.
>>> 
>>> joe salerno
>>> 
>>>> On 3/14/2014 3:14 PM, David Lennick wrote:
>>>> They did indeed do vanity records, radio transcriptions (imagine a 
>>>> 16-incher..I've transferred one), promos, giveaways, and I don't 
>>>> think the steel needle did that much damage. Warped edges are more 
>>>> of a
>> problem.
>>>> http://78rpmrecord.com/flexo.htm
>>>> 
>>>> dl
>>>> 
>>>>> On 3/14/2014 4:08 PM, neechevoneeznayou at gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> Just acquired my first Flexo Record. This is a 10" record "Recorded 
>>>>> and Produced by UNITY SCHOOL OF CHRISTIANITY (Record Dept.) 917 
>>>>> Tracy, Kansas City, Mo.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Original sleeve too, although it is torn. "Play With New Steel Needle"
>>>>> it says, and "Keep Record Lying Flat"
>>>>> 
>>>>> 406-A is A MESSAGE OF JOY In My Neighbor's Garden (Nevin) Piano 
>>>>> Interpretation by Mrs. Arthur Comstock. 406-B, by the same 
>>>>> performer, is A MESSAGE OF PEACE Adagio from Sonata Pathetique
>>>>> (Beethoven)
>>>>> 
>>>>> I haven't played it yet.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Is this a vanity record? Why produce a vanity record as a Flexo 
>>>>> instead of the usual shellac? I assume this is not breakable, and 
>>>>> has a  quieter surface. Other advantages?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Would a steel needle not wear out such a record? It certainly is 
>>>>> soft, and  apparently warpable, hence the admonition to keep it 
>>>>> lying flat. It also is translucent, reminds me of a lacquer, except 
>>>>> there is no
>>> base.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have a hard time imagining that such a record would survive long 
>>>>> under a steel needle.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Joe Salerno
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