[78-L] 78-L Digest, Vol 65, Issue 10

Fri Feb 7 23:14:43 PST 2014

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>   1. Re:  My history of broadcasting course (Gene Baron)
>   2.  Columbia WWI multi colored illustrated labels (Steve Shapiro)
>   3.  Br B-1000 album series query #2 (Malcolm Rockwell)
>   4. Re:  Br B-1000 album series query #2 (David Lennick)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 15:07:35 -0500
> From: Gene Baron <gene.baron at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] My history of broadcasting course
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> I agree with David and the rhythmic rap-style talking-singing on a lot of
> the Golden Gate Qt's gospel recordings.  Some of the classic calypso
> recordings from the 1930s veer in that direction too.
>
> Gene
> gene.baron at gmail.com
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> On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 2:41 PM, DAVID BURNHAM <burnhamd at rogers.com> wrote:
>
>> The closest precurser of rap on records that I've heard is the Golden 
>> Gate
>> Quartet's recordings from the late '30s of "Noah" and "Job".  Obviously
>> they aren't improvised but they certainly nail the rap style.
>>
>> db
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, February 6, 2014 11:02:06 AM, David Sanderson <
>> dwsanderson685 at roadrunner.com> wrote:
>>
>> On 2/5/2014 11:54 PM, Malcolm Rockwell wrote:
>> >> On 2/4/2014 4:02 AM, David Sanderson wrote:
>> >>> On 2/3/2014 10:47 PM, Donna Halper wrote:
>> >>>> The students, all of whom have grown up mainly with rock and 
>> >>>> hip-hop,
>> >>>> were very surprised to listen to what "dance music" used to sound 
>> >>>> like
>> >>>> in the 1920s... They have had little if any exposure to the 78 era, 
>> >>>> so
>> >>>> hearing the "hits" from radio's early years is very different from
>> what
>> >>>> they are accustomed to.  I've got some of those musical short 
>> >>>> subjects
>> >>>> to show them, the ones from the early 1930s, and I'll be interested 
>> >>>> in
>> >>>> their reaction.
>> >>> The soundies, of course, are the ancestor of the godawful "videos" 
>> >>> that
>> >>> have become so essential to pop music these days, so the students 
>> >>> ought
>> >>> to be able to make that connection. If you look at enough soundies, 
>> >>> you
>> >>> will find some fairly weird stuff, too. Look for Raymond Scott 
>> >>> pieces,
>> >>> for one; and there's some odd Hawaiian stuff I've seen. And then
>> there's
>> >>> a gem that might mean something to them - Hoosier Hotshots, "From the
>> >>> Indies to the Andes in His Undies," which includes the original of 
>> >>> the
>> >>> scene that Monty Python used for opening and closing, the scruffy
>> >>> explorer escaping into the brush.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >> ...aaaaaand here they are!
>> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5U8iJ0fEns
>> >> Malcolm
>> >
>> >Yes, indeed - and note the spoken lyrics, yet another instance of what
>> >we have been talking about.
>> >
>> >A footnote - I chose the Byron Harlan example as relating to rap in part
>> >because his tone matches the direct and confrontational tone of rap.
>> >Listen to the recording if you need to hear what I mean.
>> >
>> >
>> >--
>> >David Sanderson
>> >East Waterford Maine
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 15:22:29 GMT
> From: "Steve Shapiro" <steveshapiro1 at juno.com>
> Subject: [78-L] Columbia WWI multi colored illustrated labels
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>
> E.g. See 
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/COLUMBIA-SPECIAL-WORLD-WAR-1-MEDICAL-LABEL-E-2942-/370998600660
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/BITAR-BISHRO-No-1-2-SYRIAN-ARABIC-COLUMBIA-78-/400647330465?nma=true&si=j8RfWCbnOvIF2g0hzK5wq9CeRMo%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
>
> I have seen various records like this, mostly German but also Hungarian, 
> mostly 10 inch, also one German 12 inch.
>
> Does anybody know the story behind these records, seen them in any special 
> Columbia catalogues, articles in Talking Machine World, etc.?
> Thanks./steve
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2014 09:30:48 -1000
> From: Malcolm Rockwell <malcolm at 78data.com>
> Subject: [78-L] Br B-1000 album series query #2
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> Thanks to David, Cary and Geoffrey and other 78ellers I'm a bit further
> along. There are still missing items but youse guys filled in a bunch of
> info I was missing. I went back and checked to see if the Ruppli Decca
> books had anything but, interestingly enough, even matrices coming from
> Decca did not show the individual record issue numbers or the fact they
> were assigned to albums. I was surprised.
> So, I'm still missing some things, as I said.
>
> Most glaringly it's the album titles I still need clarification on,
> especially for album sets Br B-1004 (Cab Calloway), B-1005 (Blues Piano
> Players), B-1015 (Bing Crosby), B-1016 (Louis Armstrong Bands), B-1018
> (Jelly Roll Morton), and B-1026 (Bobby Hackett). I want full descriptive
> title as they appear on the album cover, such as *Chicago Jazz Classics:
> Benny Goodman and his Boys.*
> I'm also still missing side designations for 2 Louis Armstrong records
> (Br 80060 & 80061) and 2 Wilmoth Houdini records (Br 80085 & 80086).
> There's also a question about some of the singles after Br 80101. There
> are 4 Ben Pollack sides (Br 80121, 80122, 80148 and 80149) that show
> BP-106 on each label. These would SEEM to indicate that they may be part
> of an album set, but I am not sure of that. Two NORK records (Br 80118 &
> 80120) show a similar number, which is BP-102.
> Any ideas or clarifications?
> That's it for now.
>
> Thanks again,
> Malcolm
>
> *******
>
> On 2/6/2014 8:36 AM, David Lennick wrote:
>> All should be in the Decca books (except side designations) but mine are 
>> (yeah,
>> we know, all together now, "IN STORAGE")..
>>
>> B-1023 is Wilmoth Houdini "Songs of Trinidad" and it's the highest number 
>> in
>> the booklet for that album. There's no B-1014 shown. Hmm.
>>
>> dl
>>
>> On 2/6/2014 1:03 PM, Malcolm Rockwell wrote:
>>> I'm working on a discography which I'll happily share with anyone who
>>> wants it when I'm done. It's a listing of Brunswick 78rpm albums in
>>> their B-1000 series. I am missing album titles, side assignations (-A /
>>> -B) and side in set numbers (1 of 8, 5 of 12, etc.) for these albums:
>>> B-1003, B-1008, B-1013, B-1014, B-1016 and any above B-1017 (I'm unsure
>>> where the series ended).
>>> Further, I'm still missing side assignations (-A / -B) and side in set
>>> numbers (1 of 8, 5 of 12, etc.) for individual recordings on these
>>> records: Br 80007, 80012, 80013, 80014, 80021, 80060, 80061, 80067,
>>> 80072, 80085, and 80086.
>>> I am missing matrix numbers (from the label or the runout) on these
>>> records: Br 80100A (3/6) and 80101B (6/6) both by Bobby Hackett.
>>> The last record I show in album sets is Br 80101 (Bobby Hackett) in
>>> album Br B-1026. I believe that single issues began with Br 80102 and
>>> 80103, but I haven't located either. Br 80104 is a single by the Red
>>> Norvo Sextet.
>>> I believe Br 80083&  80084 are individual releases but have no info on
>>> either.
>>> And finally, album set Br B-1014, if it exists, is odd as it seems to
>>> fall outside the regular issue number sequence. All others in these sets
>>> run from Br 80000 to 80101, consecutively.
>>> Any info helping to complete this little discography gratefully 
>>> accepted!
>>> Thanks,
>>> Malcolm Rockwell
>>>
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 14:52:44 -0500
> From: David Lennick <dlennick at sympatico.ca>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Br B-1000 album series query #2
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> HOUDINI (just happen to have the album right beside me):
>
> Br 80085
>
> A: THE COOKS IN TRINIDAD
> B: NO MO' BENCH AND BOARD
>
> Br 80086
> A: ARIMA TONIGHT, SANGRE GRANDE TOMORROW NIGHT
> B: I NEED A MAN
>
> I have the Crosby, Calloway and Morton sets, but not here. How about the 
> 1945
> Decca catalog?
>
> dl
>
> On 2/7/2014 2:30 PM, Malcolm Rockwell wrote:
>> Thanks to David, Cary and Geoffrey and other 78ellers I'm a bit further
>> along. There are still missing items but youse guys filled in a bunch of
>> info I was missing. I went back and checked to see if the Ruppli Decca
>> books had anything but, interestingly enough, even matrices coming from
>> Decca did not show the individual record issue numbers or the fact they
>> were assigned to albums. I was surprised.
>> So, I'm still missing some things, as I said.
>>
>> Most glaringly it's the album titles I still need clarification on,
>> especially for album sets Br B-1004 (Cab Calloway), B-1005 (Blues Piano
>> Players), B-1015 (Bing Crosby), B-1016 (Louis Armstrong Bands), B-1018
>> (Jelly Roll Morton), and B-1026 (Bobby Hackett). I want full descriptive
>> title as they appear on the album cover, such as *Chicago Jazz Classics:
>> Benny Goodman and his Boys.*
>> I'm also still missing side designations for 2 Louis Armstrong records
>> (Br 80060&  80061) and 2 Wilmoth Houdini records (Br 80085&  80086).
>> There's also a question about some of the singles after Br 80101. There
>> are 4 Ben Pollack sides (Br 80121, 80122, 80148 and 80149) that show
>> BP-106 on each label. These would SEEM to indicate that they may be part
>> of an album set, but I am not sure of that. Two NORK records (Br 80118&
>> 80120) show a similar number, which is BP-102.
>> Any ideas or clarifications?
>> That's it for now.
>>
>> Thanks again,
>> Malcolm
>>
>> *******
>>
>> On 2/6/2014 8:36 AM, David Lennick wrote:
>>> All should be in the Decca books (except side designations) but mine are 
>>> (yeah,
>>> we know, all together now, "IN STORAGE")..
>>>
>>> B-1023 is Wilmoth Houdini "Songs of Trinidad" and it's the highest 
>>> number in
>>> the booklet for that album. There's no B-1014 shown. Hmm.
>>>
>>> dl
>>>
>>> On 2/6/2014 1:03 PM, Malcolm Rockwell wrote:
>>>> I'm working on a discography which I'll happily share with anyone who
>>>> wants it when I'm done. It's a listing of Brunswick 78rpm albums in
>>>> their B-1000 series. I am missing album titles, side assignations (-A /
>>>> -B) and side in set numbers (1 of 8, 5 of 12, etc.) for these albums:
>>>> B-1003, B-1008, B-1013, B-1014, B-1016 and any above B-1017 (I'm unsure
>>>> where the series ended).
>>>> Further, I'm still missing side assignations (-A / -B) and side in set
>>>> numbers (1 of 8, 5 of 12, etc.) for individual recordings on these
>>>> records: Br 80007, 80012, 80013, 80014, 80021, 80060, 80061, 80067,
>>>> 80072, 80085, and 80086.
>>>> I am missing matrix numbers (from the label or the runout) on these
>>>> records: Br 80100A (3/6) and 80101B (6/6) both by Bobby Hackett.
>>>> The last record I show in album sets is Br 80101 (Bobby Hackett) in
>>>> album Br B-1026. I believe that single issues began with Br 80102 and
>>>> 80103, but I haven't located either. Br 80104 is a single by the Red
>>>> Norvo Sextet.
>>>> I believe Br 80083&   80084 are individual releases but have no info on
>>>> either.
>>>> And finally, album set Br B-1014, if it exists, is odd as it seems to
>>>> fall outside the regular issue number sequence. All others in these 
>>>> sets
>>>> run from Br 80000 to 80101, consecutively.
>>>> Any info helping to complete this little discography gratefully 
>>>> accepted!
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Malcolm Rockwell
>>>>
>>
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