[78-L] 78-L Digest, Vol 63, Issue 21
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> 1. Re: Followup To Tonearm/Cartridge Mismatch - Compliance
> Remedies? (Doug Pomeroy)
> 2. Re: Followup To Tonearm/Cartridge Mismatch - Compliance
> Remedies? (Nathan Coy)
> 3. Choral key question (David Lennick)
> 4. Re: Choral key question (Valerie Langfield)
> 5. Re: Choral key question (Valerie Langfield)
> 6. Re: Choral key question (RJHoltin334578)
> 7. Re: Choral key question (David Lennick)
> 8. Re: Choral key question (Valerie Langfield)
> 9. Apple's new Amberol (Peter Fraissinet)
> 10. Re: Apple's new Amberol (David Sanderson)
> 11. Re: Apple's new Amberol (Mike Harkin)
> 12. Re: Apple's new Amberol (Julian Vein)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 16:04:26 -0500
> From: Doug Pomeroy <audiofixer at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Followup To Tonearm/Cartridge Mismatch -
> Compliance Remedies?
> To: 78-l at klickitat.78online.com
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> The compliance ratings are based on the assumption that you buy a stylus
> that comes with a particular cartridge. It is the cantilever to which the
> diamond is attached that determines the stiffness (compliance).
>
> And resonance has nothing to do with it. If you need to track heavy, you
> obviously need a stiffer cantilever to keep the cartridge from riding on
> the disc surface!
>
> And, to play old acoustic records you'll want to track heavy (much heavier
> than for playing LPs!), so the Stanton styli and their cantilevers are
> fine for this. Stop worrying about the arm - it doesn't care whether it
> is playing an LP or and old acoustic disc - but to get the tracking
> pressure just right (which can be done by eye!), you will probably need to
> adjust the counterweight on the arm.
>
> Doug Pomeroy
> Audio Restoration and Mastering Services
> 193 Baltic St
> Brooklyn, NY 11201-6173
> (718) 855-2650
> audiofixer at verizon.net
> ==================================================================
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 10:31:11 -0800 (PST)
> From: "beststuff4u at frontiernet.net" <beststuff4u at frontiernet.net>
> Subject: [78-L] Followup To Tonearm/Cartridge Mismatch - Compliance
> Remedies?
> To: "78-l at klickitat.78online.com" <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> Message-ID:
> <1387391471.47162.YahooMailNeo at web124506.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
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> Thanks to all who commented on my previous post. I definitely learned a
> great deal from your comments.
>
> One thing I'm still confused about is that compliance ratings are assigned
> to cartridges, not to styli. If compliance is based on the rigidity of the
> stylus, why aren't the styli, instead of the cartridges, receiving the
> rating? Based on your comments I was able to find that a number of the
> Stanton 500 series cartridges can accept the same stylus, yet those
> cartridges compliance ratings vary from 10 to 20+. Wouldn't that change
> the resonance, which appears to be the main concern on selecting the
> appropriate cartridge,stylus combination?
>
> Thank you.
>
> Sherwin Cerini
> Freezing in Rochester, NY
>
>
>
> ----- Forwarded Message -----
>> From: "beststuff4u at frontiernet.net" <beststuff4u at frontiernet.net>
>> To: "78-l at klickitat.78online.com" <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 2:06 PM
>> Subject: Tonearm/Cartridge Mismatch - Compliance Remedies?
>>
>>
>>
>> Esteemed 78-l Members,
>>
>>
>>
>> I have acoustic records (1902-1910) that require a larger stylus (3.5 and
>> 4.0 for starters and truncated elliptical styli). I purchased some
> customized ones that are for a Stanton 500 cartridge. The mismatch is
> caused by the fact that the tonearm is a 1970s light arm requiring a
> high-compliance cartridge such as the Shure M91-ED; the Stanton 500 series
> are all low-compliance cartridges.
>>
>>
>> From what I've read, such a mismatch could well damage the records.
>>
>>
>> Does anyone know of any way to compensate for the mismatch to avoid
>> record damage?
>>
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>>
>> Sherwin CeriniRochester, NY
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 14:05:55 -0800
> From: Nathan Coy <nathanpcoy at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Followup To Tonearm/Cartridge Mismatch -
> Compliance Remedies?
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> Doug, et al,
>
> I think I have probably complicated this conversation, sorry about that.
>
> Ahh, that's good to hear on the cantilever, It does make more sense that
> way. Now to beat a dead horse (a little) but it seems like the aftermarket
> stylus companies would publish compliance ratings, So now I am curious
> what
> they are. So to some extent cartridge compliance ratings are
> inconsequential (probably especially with acoustic era?). Or is it say
> that
> a company specs the stylus say as an n44 then the compliance should
> probably be in that spec.?
>
> I'll lay out now, thanks,
>
> Nathan
>
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 1:04 PM, Doug Pomeroy
> <audiofixer at verizon.net>wrote:
>
>> The compliance ratings are based on the assumption that you buy a stylus
>> that comes with a particular cartridge. It is the cantilever to which
>> the
>> diamond is attached that determines the stiffness (compliance).
>>
>> And resonance has nothing to do with it. If you need to track heavy, you
>> obviously need a stiffer cantilever to keep the cartridge from riding on
>> the disc surface!
>>
>> And, to play old acoustic records you'll want to track heavy (much
>> heavier
>> than for playing LPs!), so the Stanton styli and their cantilevers are
>> fine
>> for this. Stop worrying about the arm - it doesn't care whether it is
>> playing an LP or and old acoustic disc - but to get the tracking pressure
>> just right (which can be done by eye!), you will probably need to adjust
>> the counterweight on the arm.
>>
>> Doug Pomeroy
>> Audio Restoration and Mastering Services
>> 193 Baltic St
>> Brooklyn, NY 11201-6173
>> (718) 855-2650
>> audiofixer at verizon.net
>> ==================================================================
>>
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 10:31:11 -0800 (PST)
>> From: "beststuff4u at frontiernet.net" <beststuff4u at frontiernet.net>
>> Subject: [78-L] Followup To Tonearm/Cartridge Mismatch - Compliance
>> Remedies?
>> To: "78-l at klickitat.78online.com" <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
>> Message-ID:
>> <1387391471.47162.YahooMailNeo at web124506.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>
>> Thanks to all who commented on my previous post. I definitely learned a
>> great deal from your comments.
>>
>> One thing I'm still confused about is that compliance ratings are
>> assigned
>> to cartridges, not to styli. If compliance is based on the rigidity of
>> the
>> stylus, why aren't the styli, instead of the cartridges, receiving the
>> rating? Based on your comments I was able to find that a number of the
>> Stanton 500 series cartridges can accept the same stylus, yet those
>> cartridges compliance ratings vary from 10 to 20+. Wouldn't that change
>> the
>> resonance, which appears to be the main concern on selecting the
>> appropriate cartridge,stylus combination?
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> Sherwin Cerini
>> Freezing in Rochester, NY
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Forwarded Message -----
>> > From: "beststuff4u at frontiernet.net" <beststuff4u at frontiernet.net>
>> > To: "78-l at klickitat.78online.com" <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
>> > Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 2:06 PM
>> > Subject: Tonearm/Cartridge Mismatch - Compliance Remedies?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Esteemed 78-l Members,
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I have acoustic records (1902-1910) that require a larger stylus (3.5
>> and 4.0 for starters and truncated elliptical styli). I purchased some
>> customized ones that are for a Stanton 500 cartridge. The mismatch is
>> caused by the fact that the tonearm is a 1970s light arm requiring a
>> high-compliance cartridge such as the Shure M91-ED; the Stanton 500
>> series
>> are all low-compliance cartridges.
>> >
>> >
>> > From what I've read, such a mismatch could well damage the records.
>> >
>> >
>> > Does anyone know of any way to compensate for the mismatch to avoid
>> record damage?
>> >
>> >
>> > Thank you.
>> >
>> >
>> > Sherwin CeriniRochester, NY
>>
>>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 20:30:25 -0500
> From: David Lennick <dlennick at sympatico.ca>
> Subject: [78-L] Choral key question
> To: 78L <78-L at 78online.com>
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> Got an interesting problem here, a group of 4 sides recorded by Decca in
> 1937,
> possibly on portable equipment, of a gospel group with piano accompaniment
> in
> Chicago (or by a team from Chicago on remote), and the speed drops
> radically on
> each side. Around 5 percent. My problem is to figure which key they're
> singing
> in! Obviously a good accompanist can play in just about any key, but which
> seems more likely, A or A Flat? (Okay, or G Sharp?) To start in A I need
> to go
> up close to 7%, and end the side around 2.2% up. A flat sounds a bit more
> natural but the sides will end up 4% down at the end. Any thoughts,
> choirmasters?
>
> dl
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 07:10:47 +0000
> From: Valerie Langfield <rcq at minuet.demon.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Choral key question
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> It could depend on the mood of the piece - it's in a major key, I take
> it? A flat (and it's A flat major, not G sharp major) is likely to be a
> more subdued mood; A major is a 'bright', up-beat sort of key. As a
> pianist, I find A flat easier, even though it's got 4 flats in the key
> signature (A major has 3 sharps), because black note keys get you right
> into the keyboard.
>
> Can you let us know which one you go for?
>
> Valerie Langfield
>
> In article <BLU0-SMTP80E9C7BAD22C10B2514402BDC50 at phx.gbl>, David Lennick
> <dlennick at sympatico.ca> writes
>>Got an interesting problem here, a group of 4 sides recorded by Decca in
>>1937,
>>possibly on portable equipment, of a gospel group with piano accompaniment
>>in
>>Chicago (or by a team from Chicago on remote), and the speed drops
>>radically on
>>each side. Around 5 percent. My problem is to figure which key they're
>>singing
>>in! Obviously a good accompanist can play in just about any key, but which
>>seems more likely, A or A Flat? (Okay, or G Sharp?) To start in A I need
>>to go
>>up close to 7%, and end the side around 2.2% up. A flat sounds a bit more
>>natural but the sides will end up 4% down at the end. Any thoughts,
>>choirmasters?
>
> --
> Dr Valerie Langfield
> www.rogerquilter.co.uk
> www.boydell.co.uk/51158714.HTM
> rcq at minuet.demon.co.uk
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> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 07:10:47 +0000
> From: Valerie Langfield <rcq at minuet.demon.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Choral key question
> To: 78-L Mail List <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> Cc: 78L <78-L at 78online.com>
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>
> It could depend on the mood of the piece - it's in a major key, I take
> it? A flat (and it's A flat major, not G sharp major) is likely to be a
> more subdued mood; A major is a 'bright', up-beat sort of key. As a
> pianist, I find A flat easier, even though it's got 4 flats in the key
> signature (A major has 3 sharps), because black note keys get you right
> into the keyboard.
>
> Can you let us know which one you go for?
>
> Valerie Langfield
>
> In article <BLU0-SMTP80E9C7BAD22C10B2514402BDC50 at phx.gbl>, David Lennick
> <dlennick at sympatico.ca> writes
>>Got an interesting problem here, a group of 4 sides recorded by Decca in
>>1937,
>>possibly on portable equipment, of a gospel group with piano accompaniment
>>in
>>Chicago (or by a team from Chicago on remote), and the speed drops
>>radically on
>>each side. Around 5 percent. My problem is to figure which key they're
>>singing
>>in! Obviously a good accompanist can play in just about any key, but which
>>seems more likely, A or A Flat? (Okay, or G Sharp?) To start in A I need
>>to go
>>up close to 7%, and end the side around 2.2% up. A flat sounds a bit more
>>natural but the sides will end up 4% down at the end. Any thoughts,
>>choirmasters?
>
> --
> Dr Valerie Langfield
> www.rogerquilter.co.uk
> www.boydell.co.uk/51158714.HTM
> rcq at minuet.demon.co.uk
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> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 05:19:06 -0600
> From: RJHoltin334578 <rjh334578 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Choral key question
> To: 78-L Mail List <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> Message-ID: <5000CC97-EA82-4568-901A-4D1F85ACF855 at yahoo.com>
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>
> Any chance of finding the titles in print? Gospel groups often toured
> and sold their songbooks. I have a few and there's a ton of them out
> there. This was the bread n butter income for James Vaughan and
> Stamps-Baxter during that very decade.
>
> Sent from my iPod - which explainz any bad typjng
>
>
> On Dec 18, 2013, at 7:30 PM, David Lennick <dlennick at sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
>> Got an interesting problem here, a group of 4 sides recorded by
>> Decca in 1937,
>> possibly on portable equipment, of a gospel group with piano
>> accompaniment in
>> Chicago (or by a team from Chicago on remote), and the speed drops
>> radically on
>> each side. Around 5 percent. My problem is to figure which key
>> they're singing
>> in! Obviously a good accompanist can play in just about any key, but
>> which
>> seems more likely, A or A Flat? (Okay, or G Sharp?) To start in A I
>> need to go
>> up close to 7%, and end the side around 2.2% up. A flat sounds a bit
>> more
>> natural but the sides will end up 4% down at the end. Any thoughts,
>> choirmasters?
>>
>> dl
>>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 08:52:26 -0500
> From: David Lennick <dlennick at sympatico.ca>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Choral key question
> To: 78-L Mail List <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
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>
> Figured you'd respond! I went for the lower option, even though Chicago
> Deccas
> in my experience play about 4% up. The songs were not well known choir
> favourites but were likely traditional gospel numbers arranged by the
> group,
> and all but one were in the same key (meaning 3 in A Flat and one in G).
> As
> follows:
>
> DE 7376A KING JESUS IS A LISTENING 91243A (3:09) speed flux
> DE 7376B I'M A PILGRIM 91242A (2:41)
> DE 7452A GOOD NEWS GOOD NEWS 91240A (2:40)
> DE 7452B WE WILL SOON BE DONE 91241A (2:46)
> GOODWILL MALE CHORUS (May 1937)
>
> On 12/19/2013 2:10 AM, Valerie Langfield wrote:
>> It could depend on the mood of the piece - it's in a major key, I take
>> it? A flat (and it's A flat major, not G sharp major) is likely to be a
>> more subdued mood; A major is a 'bright', up-beat sort of key. As a
>> pianist, I find A flat easier, even though it's got 4 flats in the key
>> signature (A major has 3 sharps), because black note keys get you right
>> into the keyboard.
>>
>> Can you let us know which one you go for?
>>
>> Valerie Langfield
>>
>> In article<BLU0-SMTP80E9C7BAD22C10B2514402BDC50 at phx.gbl>, David Lennick
>> <dlennick at sympatico.ca> writes
>>> Got an interesting problem here, a group of 4 sides recorded by Decca in
>>> 1937,
>>> possibly on portable equipment, of a gospel group with piano
>>> accompaniment in
>>> Chicago (or by a team from Chicago on remote), and the speed drops
>>> radically on
>>> each side. Around 5 percent. My problem is to figure which key they're
>>> singing
>>> in! Obviously a good accompanist can play in just about any key, but
>>> which
>>> seems more likely, A or A Flat? (Okay, or G Sharp?) To start in A I need
>>> to go
>>> up close to 7%, and end the side around 2.2% up. A flat sounds a bit
>>> more
>>> natural but the sides will end up 4% down at the end. Any thoughts,
>>> choirmasters?
>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 15:42:49 +0000
> From: Valerie Langfield <rcq at minuet.demon.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Choral key question
> To: 78-l at klickitat.78online.com
> Message-ID: <JFcxy2A5PxsSFwju at minuet.demon.co.uk>
> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed
>
> Keys have individual characteristics - despite equal temperament - and
> sometimes, even if it's being played back at a different pitch, it's
> possible to tell what key a piece was originally done in, a sort of
> upside down perfect pitch. How big is a file? If you care to email me
> one, I'll be glad to give it a try. No promises! and you may do better
> to take up the other idea that someone came up with. :)
>
> Valerie L.
>
>>Figured you'd respond! I went for the lower option, even though Chicago
>>Deccas
>>in my experience play about 4% up. The songs were not well known choir
>>favourites but were likely traditional gospel numbers arranged by the
>>group,
>>and all but one were in the same key (meaning 3 in A Flat and one in G).
>>As
>>follows:
>>
>>DE 7376A KING JESUS IS A LISTENING 91243A (3:09) speed flux
>>DE 7376B I'M A PILGRIM 91242A (2:41)
>>DE 7452A GOOD NEWS GOOD NEWS 91240A (2:40)
>>DE 7452B WE WILL SOON BE DONE 91241A (2:46)
>>GOODWILL MALE CHORUS (May 1937)
>>
>>On 12/19/2013 2:10 AM, Valerie Langfield wrote:
>>> It could depend on the mood of the piece - it's in a major key, I take
>>> it? A flat (and it's A flat major, not G sharp major) is likely to be a
>>> more subdued mood; A major is a 'bright', up-beat sort of key. As a
>>> pianist, I find A flat easier, even though it's got 4 flats in the key
>>> signature (A major has 3 sharps), because black note keys get you right
>>> into the keyboard.
>>>
>>> Can you let us know which one you go for?
>>>
>>> Valerie Langfield
>>>
>>> In article<BLU0-SMTP80E9C7BAD22C10B2514402BDC50 at phx.gbl>, David Lennick
>>> <dlennick at sympatico.ca> writes
>>>> Got an interesting problem here, a group of 4 sides recorded by
>>>>Decca in 1937,
>>>> possibly on portable equipment, of a gospel group with piano
>>>>accompaniment in
>>>> Chicago (or by a team from Chicago on remote), and the speed drops
>>>> radically on
>>>> each side. Around 5 percent. My problem is to figure which key
>>>>they're singing
>>>> in! Obviously a good accompanist can play in just about any key, but
>>>> which
>>>> seems more likely, A or A Flat? (Okay, or G Sharp?) To start in A I
>>>>need to go
>>>> up close to 7%, and end the side around 2.2% up. A flat sounds a bit
>>>> more
>>>> natural but the sides will end up 4% down at the end. Any thoughts,
>>>> choirmasters?
>
> --
> Dr Valerie Langfield
> www.rogerquilter.co.uk
> www.boydell.co.uk/51158714.HTM
> rcq at minuet.demon.co.uk
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> Message: 9
> Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 15:49:01 +0000
> From: Peter Fraissinet <pf13 at cornell.edu>
> Subject: [78-L] Apple's new Amberol
> To: 78-L Mail List <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
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>
> doesn't this look achingly familiar...
>
> http://www.nbcnews.com/technology/have-3-000-spare-new-mac-pro-goes-sale-thursday-2D11770659
>
> http://store.apple.com/us/buy-mac/mac-pro
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 12:30:44 -0500
> From: David Sanderson <dwsanderson685 at roadrunner.com>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Apple's new Amberol
> To: 78-L Mail List <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
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> On 12/19/2013 10:49 AM, Peter Fraissinet wrote:
>> doesn't this look achingly familiar...
>>
>> http://www.nbcnews.com/technology/have-3-000-spare-new-mac-pro-goes-sale-thursday-2D11770659
>>
>> http://store.apple.com/us/buy-mac/mac-pro
>
>
> The difference is that an Edison cylinder is still usable today, 100
> years or so since it was made. 100 years from now no one will have any
> idea what Apple's widget is or how to use it.
>
>
> --
> David Sanderson
> East Waterford Maine
> dwsanderson685 at roadrunner.com
> http://www.dwsanderson.com
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 10:44:02 -0800 (PST)
> From: Mike Harkin <xxm.harkin at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Apple's new Amberol
> To: 78-L Mail List <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> Message-ID:
> <1387478642.62483.YahooMailNeo at web142605.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> The Edison cylinder is still usable IF you have the right equipment, and
> know-how, to use it!? Same for his vertical- and lateral-cut flat
> discs.? In fact, the same for a lot of 'outdated' technology. Might
> the same not be true of this?? I would expect so.? Come back in 100
> years....
>
> Mike in Plovdiv
>
>
>
>
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> From: David Sanderson <dwsanderson685 at roadrunner.com>
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> Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 7:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Apple's new Amberol
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> On 12/19/2013 10:49 AM, Peter Fraissinet wrote:
>> doesn't this look achingly familiar...
>>
>> http://www.nbcnews.com/technology/have-3-000-spare-new-mac-pro-goes-sale-thursday-2D11770659
>>
>> http://store.apple.com/us/buy-mac/mac-pro
>
>
> The difference is that an Edison cylinder is still usable today, 100
> years or so since it was made. 100 years from now no one will have any
> idea what Apple's widget is or how to use it.
>
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> Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 18:55:41 +0000
> From: Julian Vein <julianvein at blueyonder.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Apple's new Amberol
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> On 19/12/13 18:44, Mike Harkin wrote:
>> The Edison cylinder is still usable IF you have the right equipment, and
>> know-how, to use it! Same for his vertical- and lateral-cut flat
>> discs. In fact, the same for a lot of 'outdated' technology. Might
>> the same not be true of this? I would expect so. Come back in 100
>> years....
>>
>> Mike in Plovdiv
>>
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> The point is that we are using basically the same--although more
> sophisticated--equipment to play them back now. We don't need to
> download an "app" or employ a computer geek to convert them for us.
>
> Julian Vein
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