[78-L] Is it really rarest blues record?, or, Troubled earth

[Erwin Kluwer]

Ok, let'sleave it here.. if you want to believe the great Charley Patton
was a guy of minimal consequence .....go ahead..!


On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 7:09 PM, Joe Scott <joenscott at mail.com> wrote:

> You're mistaken about when guitar became popular. Guitar was very popular
> during the first decade of the century in the South. Recordings like this
> represent some of the stuff that was being played on guitar in the South in
> about 1905, before blues were popular:
> "Frankie And Albert" Charlie Patton
> "Boat's Up The River" John Jackson
> "Ragtime Millionaire" Bill Moore
> "Old Dog Blue" Jim Jackson
> "Kassie Jones" Furry Lewis
> "Hop Joint" John Hurt
> "You Shall" Frank Stokes
> "Freight Train" Elizabeth Cotten
> "Railroad Bill" Brownie and Stick McGhee
> "Stackalee" Frank Hutchison
> "Easy Winner" Nap Hayes and Matthew Prater
> "John Henry" Henry Thomas
> "Green Corn" Cowboy Roy Brown
> "Reuben Oh Reuben" Emry Arthur
> "Rabbit On The Log" John Lee Hooker
> Patton's friend Booker Miller recalled that Patton said he began playing
> guitar when he was about 19, which would be about 1910. John Hurt, among
> many others, was playing guitar earlier.
> Joseph Scott
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Erwin Kluwer
> Sent: 08/29/13 11:45 AM
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> Subject: Re: [78-L] Is it really rarest blues record?, or, Troubled earth
>
> Charlie played Green River from 1915 on (as researched by Calt, etc)Some
> of his most famous arrangments were basically in place (as for Pony Blues,
> etc) around 1910... That means people /musicians heard him allready play
> for two decades before he first recorded..... Patton had huge following,
> respect and some serious talented imitators itroughout Mississippi..again
> 20 years before he recorded....(Around 1910 very few people even played
> even Guitar in the South (banjo and fiddle was the thing then),,, The one
> of the first (it might be THE first) archetypical guitar hero's On Thu, Aug
> 29, 2013 at 7:30 PM, Joe Scott <joenscott at mail.com> wrote: > ... "'Can
> you be more specific': just listen to for example to Green River > Blues..
> It can directly projected on a full rock (band ) arrangment... > In terms
> of drive, bass,-treble counter point . etc, etc This is a blue > print...."
> > It's wonderful, but when Jimmy Preston recorded "Rock The Joint" in 1949,
> > e.g., was that one of the
>  recordings he'd ever heard? I don't think it has > any drive relevant to
> rock music that countless other blues recordings of > the era don't have. >
> " ..No one has this done before (at least this good and managed to > get
> recorded)" > Some examples of recordings that are earlier, similar, and imo
> as good: > "Jail House Blues" Robert Wilkins > "Judge Harsh Blues" Furry
> Lewis > "K.C. Railroad Blues" Andrew and Jim Baxter > "One Dime Blues"
> Lemon Jefferson > "Poor Boy Long Ways From Home" Gus Cannon and Blind Blake
> > "Skin Game Blues" Peg Leg Howell > or if you want something that sounds
> way more like rock and roll than > "Green River Blues" or any of those do,
> > "Hastings St." Blind Blake and Charlie Spand > was also earlier. >
> Charlie Patton began recording about five and a half years into the >
> history of commercial recordings of folk-style self-accompanied blues >
> singer/guitarists. There wasn't all that much that he did first on record.
> > Joseph Scott > ___________________
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