[78-L] California Ramblers Triangle 11215

[Roger Wade]

Here is a session from Lord's Jazz Discography that may shed some light on it:

  Sammy Swift's Jazz Band

 	New York, c. February 1923

That red-head gal (1)	                                           Black Swan 2113, Olympic 1434, Broadway 11215
You said something when you said Dixie (1)	          -             -              -
'Way down yonder in New Orleans (2)	           2117, Majestic 1431
You've got to see mama every night 	          -              -

Note:	Broadway 11215 as by "California Ramblers" and Majestic 1431 as by "St. Louis Syncopators".


We know that both Broadway and Triangle were pressed by B D & M and used the same numbering system, so the coupling you have on Triangle 11215 is the same as Broadway 11215 shown here.  Also he shows it on Olympic 1434 and Black Swan 2113.  Lord does not show matrices for these sides.  You should email Tom Lord at  Tom Lord <lord at lordisco.com>  to let him know about the Triangle issue.

All the best,  

Roger Wade
Really Old Records

On May 30, 2013, at 12:13 PM, Glenn Longwell wrote:

> Thanks!  Does ADBORAF show both songs as Melody Dance Orchestra?  I looked up Melody Dance Orchestra in Rust's Dance Bands and it shows Olympic 1423 as All Muddled Up b/w You Said Something When You Said Dixie with a date of December, 1922 for the recording.  No matrix numbers given.  So one of the songs was on Olympic and is dated.  Curious that Red Head Gal is not paired on Olympic 1423.  Still searching for this one.
> Glenn
> 
> --- On Thu, 5/30/13, Julian Vein <julianvein at blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> From: Julian Vein <julianvein at blueyonder.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] California Ramblers Triangle 11215
> To: "78-L Mail List" <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> Date: Thursday, May 30, 2013, 12:03 PM
> 
> On 30/05/13 16:36, Glenn Longwell wrote:
>> I picked up the following record recently.
>> Triangle 11215-A  That Red Head Gal by California Ramblers, mx 1423-A            11215-B  You Said Something When You Said Dixie by California Ramblers, mx 1423-B
>> I have an older version of Rust's Jazz and Dance Band books and this is not listed.  The online Red Hot Jazz listing also doesn't have it and Ty's listing is missing this catalog number.  With those matrix numbers it might have also been an Olympic release.  It has the same style of matrix numbers as Triangle 11268 (mx's 1439-A and 1439-B) which is the same recordings as Olympic 1439 (Original Indiana Syncopators on Olympic and Manhattan Imperial Orchestra on Triangle).  Or is that a wrong assumption?
>> I was hoping for a date of recording and whether anyone also has Olympic 1432 to compare against to see if it's the same recordings and, if so, whether it's listed as California Ramblers there.
>> I have also seen that Red Head Gal is also on Paramount 20222-A by California Ramblers with the same matrix number but is paired with Aunt Hagar's Blues by Lanin's Southern Serenaders.  Same on Puritan 11222.
>> Thanks,
>> Glenn
>> 
>> www.majesticrecord.com
>> _______________________________________________
>> According to ADBORAF this is a pseudonym for Melody Dance Orchestra.
> 
>       Julian Vein
> _______________________________________________


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