[78-L] Unlisted

[Michael Biel]

The Encyclopedic Discography of Victor Recordings DOES show Stoki and
the Phila attempted this selection on March 19, 1923.  It was a 12-inch
master and no number was assigned.  This might be an important unissued
Stoki!  

http://victor.library.ucsb.edu/index.php/matrix/detail/1000015908/C-Unnumbered_1923-03-19-06-Smugglers


 The issued take of The March of the Smugglers on April 30 was a 10-inch
master take -1 and there was a destroyed -2.  

http://victor.library.ucsb.edu/index.php/matrix/detail/800001885/B-27902-March_of_the_smugglers

There were a whole bunch of unnumbered attempts on March 19, 1923.  They
are only indexed when you search the date because they forgot to
cross-list these unnumbered masters on the pages of the numbered
recordings, especially since they are of different sizes.  

http://victor.library.ucsb.edu/index.php/date/browse/1923-03-19

You can also find the unnumbered attempts for many dates at the bottom
of the artist pages.

http://victor.library.ucsb.edu/index.php/talent/detail/28428/Stokowski_Leopold_conductor

As for the copyright situation, NO recordings, issued or not, were
copyrightable in the U.S. back then.  But as an unissued item, it
remains under common-law copyright.  Hopefully the copyright situation
will change in the next year or two as we heard at ARSC. 

And, as was mentioned, this is NOT a Columbia recording, and I am
confused as to why the poster thought it was.  The listing clearly said
it was a Victor.  

Mike Biel  mbiel at mbiel.com  

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [78-L] Unlisted
From: David Lennick <dlennick at sympatico.ca>
Date: Wed, May 22, 2013 5:55 pm
To: 78-L Mail List <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>

To continue, a version of March of the Smugglers was recorded on April
30, 1923 
and issued on Victor 1017 and HMV DA 612, matrix B27902-1. For it to be 
recorded on March 19, 1923 and not issued, you'd expect it to have the
same 
matrix number and a lower take number, so there may be some incomplete 
information here. Dates and matrix # from Claude Arnold's "The Orchestra
on 
Record".

dl

On 5/22/2013 5:49 PM, David Lennick wrote:
> Do you have the actual physical artifact? For it to be unissued, it would have
> to have a white label and indicate "test pressing" (it would also be Victor,
> not Columbia). Others can answer as to whether it's in copyright in the US or
> other countries (lots of variations here).   dl
>
> On 5/22/2013 5:41 PM, Brass Balls Pawn® wrote:
>> If a Columbia Record is shown as UNISSUED like the one below, does that
>> mean that it was not copyrighted also?   *Kay Duncan, Auctioneer #9242
>>
>> Composer: BIZET, Work: Carmen - March of the smugglers, Performer:
>> Philadelphia Orchestra, Date: 1923-03-19
>>
>> Catalogue: Gray
>>
>> CatNum: UNISSUED
>> Date: 1923-03-19
>> Venue: Camden, Church Studio
>> Label: Victor
>> Performer: Philadelphia Orchestra
>> Composer: BIZET
>> Title: Carmen - March of the smugglers
>> Num: UNISSUED
>> Conductor: Stokowski, Leopold
>>