[78-L] 78-L Digest, Vol 56, Issue 27
Thomas Mills Jr.
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Tue May 21 13:18:08 PDT 2013
What are the very best Bix and Armstrong records ever made, in your opinion ? TM
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Stamps Quartet [was Paging any Texas label expert(s)...]
(Malcolm Rockwell)
2. Stamps Quartet [was Paging any Texas label expert(s)...]
(Han Enderman)
3. Re: Stamps Quartet [was Paging any Texas label expert(s)...]
(Malcolm Rockwell)
4. The Goldbergs ^ (David Lennick)
5. Date, personnel for Brunswick 3744 Rodney Rogers' Red
Peppers? (J. E. Knox)
6. Re: Date, personnel for Brunswick 3744 Rodney Rogers' Red
Peppers? (Roger Wade)
7. Re: Date, personnel for Brunswick 3744 Rodney Rogers' Red
Peppers? (J. E. Knox)
8. Re: Date, personnel for Brunswick 3744 Rodney Rogers' Red
Peppers? (Cary Ginell)
9. Re: Date, personnel for Brunswick 3744 Rodney Rogers' Red
Peppers? (Jeff Lichtman)
10. Re: The Goldbergs ^ (Mike Harkin)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 09:35:44 -1000
From: Malcolm Rockwell <malcolm at 78data.com>
Subject: Re: [78-L] Stamps Quartet [was Paging any Texas label
expert(s)...]
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Wait a sec. I believe these may have been pressed by Gennett c. 1926.
The numbers you show as matrix numbers would actually be Gennett issue
numbers (20194 A/B, not as you indicate - recheck the labels) assigned
to the Gennett Personal series. The masters seem to have been from an
outside source - I have found no indication they were recorded by
Gennett. The typeface for the credits look like Gennetts, though, and
20194 A/B fills in a hole in the personal series listing.
Comments?
Malcolm
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On 5/20/2013 8:26 AM, Han Enderman wrote:
> I have only scans of 100-A/B, however with dark blue label, with following label info:
> Label name: The Stamps Record
> Logo (at 12 over staff): Stamps Music Co.
> At bottom: The V.O. Stamps Music Co. / Jacksonville, Texas / Chattanooga, Tennessee
> Performers are Stamps Quartette, mxs 20154-A & 20194-B.
> Both titles composed by J.R. Baxter, Jr.
> Not in Gart's ARLD.
> This record was at some time on the Venerable Music auction site, with scans:
> https://www.vmauctions.com/items/item_details.php?id=6508&ItemType=Auctions
>
> Rodger, can you mail me label images of your records?
> At least the name Stamps Quartet is different !
>
> han enderman
> ===
> [78-L] Paging any Texas label expert(s)...
> Rodger Holtin
>
> What is known about the STAMPS QUARTET label? I have two, # 100 and 200, both red labels clearly state "Recorded by Sellers Co., Dallas, Texas"
>
> I can guess "post-war era," but any closer dating would be nice.
> Any info welcome.
> Rodger
> <<<
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 22:34:33 +0200
From: "Han Enderman" <jcenderman at solcon.nl>
Subject: [78-L] Stamps Quartet [was Paging any Texas label
expert(s)...]
To: "78-L" <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
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You are right, I misread the "mx" when looking at a too small label image,
and thus did not see they were the same.
It appears that this Stamps Record 100 is not the same as the postwar
Stamps Quartet 100 from Texas, of which I just found a mediocre image at
http://78rpmrecord.com/labelview.cfm?firstLetter=S
and which plays When The Saints.
This also explains the quite different prewar label design.
So it is part of the Gnt personal series & a case of serendipity.
This record & titles not in Russell's CMR, but the Brunswick 27-10-1929 session
includes V.O. Stamps (recorded in Dallas, Texas !) and this is the only session
called Quartette instead of Quartet.
han enderman
===
>>> Wait a sec. I believe these may have been pressed by Gennett c. 1926.
The numbers you show as matrix numbers would actually be Gennett issue
numbers (20194 A/B, not as you indicate - recheck the labels) assigned
to the Gennett Personal series. The masters seem to have been from an
outside source - I have found no indication they were recorded by
Gennett. The typeface for the credits look like Gennetts, though, and
20194 A/B fills in a hole in the personal series listing.
Comments?
Malcolm
*******
On 5/20/2013 8:26 AM, Han Enderman wrote:
> I have only scans of 100-A/B, however with dark blue label, with following label info:
> Label name: The Stamps Record
> Logo (at 12 over staff): Stamps Music Co.
> At bottom: The V.O. Stamps Music Co. / Jacksonville, Texas / Chattanooga, Tennessee
> Performers are Stamps Quartette, mxs 20154-A & 20194-B.
> Both titles composed by J.R. Baxter, Jr.
> Not in Gart's ARLD.
> This record was at some time on the Venerable Music auction site, with scans:
> https://www.vmauctions.com/items/item_details.php?id=6508&ItemType=Auctions
>
> Rodger, can you mail me label images of your records?
> At least the name Stamps Quartet is different !
>
> han enderman
> ===
> [78-L] Paging any Texas label expert(s)...
> Rodger Holtin
>
> What is known about the STAMPS QUARTET label? I have two, # 100 and 200, both red labels clearly state "Recorded by Sellers Co., Dallas, Texas"
>
> I can guess "post-war era," but any closer dating would be nice.
> Any info welcome.
> Rodger
> <<<
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 12:48:57 -1000
From: Malcolm Rockwell <malcolm at 78data.com>
Subject: Re: [78-L] Stamps Quartet [was Paging any Texas label
expert(s)...]
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I forgot to ask, are there any numbers in the runouts that do not appear
on the labels?
Malcolm
*******
On 5/20/2013 10:34 AM, Han Enderman wrote:
> You are right, I misread the "mx" when looking at a too small label image,
> and thus did not see they were the same.
> It appears that this Stamps Record 100 is not the same as the postwar
> Stamps Quartet 100 from Texas, of which I just found a mediocre image at
> http://78rpmrecord.com/labelview.cfm?firstLetter=S
> and which plays When The Saints.
> This also explains the quite different prewar label design.
> So it is part of the Gnt personal series & a case of serendipity.
>
> This record & titles not in Russell's CMR, but the Brunswick 27-10-1929 session
> includes V.O. Stamps (recorded in Dallas, Texas !) and this is the only session
> called Quartette instead of Quartet.
>
> han enderman
> ===
>>>> Wait a sec. I believe these may have been pressed by Gennett c. 1926.
> The numbers you show as matrix numbers would actually be Gennett issue
> numbers (20194 A/B, not as you indicate - recheck the labels) assigned
> to the Gennett Personal series. The masters seem to have been from an
> outside source - I have found no indication they were recorded by
> Gennett. The typeface for the credits look like Gennetts, though, and
> 20194 A/B fills in a hole in the personal series listing.
> Comments?
> Malcolm
>
> *******
>
> On 5/20/2013 8:26 AM, Han Enderman wrote:
>> I have only scans of 100-A/B, however with dark blue label, with following label info:
>> Label name: The Stamps Record
>> Logo (at 12 over staff): Stamps Music Co.
>> At bottom: The V.O. Stamps Music Co. / Jacksonville, Texas / Chattanooga, Tennessee
>> Performers are Stamps Quartette, mxs 20154-A & 20194-B.
>> Both titles composed by J.R. Baxter, Jr.
>> Not in Gart's ARLD.
>> This record was at some time on the Venerable Music auction site, with scans:
>> https://www.vmauctions.com/items/item_details.php?id=6508&ItemType=Auctions
>>
>> Rodger, can you mail me label images of your records?
>> At least the name Stamps Quartet is different !
>>
>> han enderman
>> ===
>> [78-L] Paging any Texas label expert(s)...
>> Rodger Holtin
>>
>> What is known about the STAMPS QUARTET label? I have two, # 100 and 200, both red labels clearly state "Recorded by Sellers Co., Dallas, Texas"
>>
>> I can guess "post-war era," but any closer dating would be nice.
>> Any info welcome.
>> Rodger
>> <<<
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 12:53:18 -0400
From: David Lennick <dlennick at sympatico.ca>
Subject: [78-L] The Goldbergs ^
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Not about 78s, not even about vintage radio or TV....a new sitcom has been
scheduled, about a wacky family in the 80s, and it's called "The Goldbergs".
Yayyy! We got African-Americans on tv, we got gays and lesbians on tv, now a
program that from the cast list looks as if it has one Jew, George Segal (maybe
Jeff Garlin as well) and every other ethnicity represented, including an actor
named Troy Gentile.
http://ca.ign.com/videos/2013/05/14/the-goldbergs-trailer
Ha ha looks real funny. Oy.
dl
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 10:51:33 -0700
From: J. E. Knox <rojoknox at metroeast.org>
Subject: [78-L] Date, personnel for Brunswick 3744 Rodney Rogers' Red
Peppers?
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Greetings from FixitLand!
I've a question regarding a recent acquisition, Brunswick 3744 "Milenberg Joys"/"Chili Blues" by Rodney Rogers' Red Peppers. The Abrams files (and, by extension, Ty Settlemier's site) show only "10/??/27"; one Web page quotes 1 October 1927, another one sez 14 October. Can someone with the Brunswick tomes set me straight? Would also like to learn instrumentation and personnel if available. I thought I heard a washboard...definitely a Hawaiian steel guitar, other guitars, maybe a uke. Thanks for any help!
I bought this thinking it might be hot jazz. Not quite.
Take care,
?
J. E. Knox "The Victor Freak"
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 13:57:02 -0400
From: Roger Wade <rwade1947 at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [78-L] Date, personnel for Brunswick 3744 Rodney Rogers'
Red Peppers?
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Hi J.E.,
Here is the listing from Lord's online Jazz Discography:
Rodney Rogers' Red Peppers : 2 steel-g, g and b
Chicago, October 14, 1927
C-1318 Milenberg joys Br 3744
C-1320 Chile blues -
For what it's worth.
Best,
Roger Wade
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On May 21, 2013, at 1:51 PM, J. E. Knox wrote:
> Greetings from FixitLand!
>
> I've a question regarding a recent acquisition, Brunswick 3744 "Milenberg Joys"/"Chili Blues" by Rodney Rogers' Red Peppers. The Abrams files (and, by extension, Ty Settlemier's site) show only "10/??/27"; one Web page quotes 1 October 1927, another one sez 14 October. Can someone with the Brunswick tomes set me straight? Would also like to learn instrumentation and personnel if available. I thought I heard a washboard...definitely a Hawaiian steel guitar, other guitars, maybe a uke. Thanks for any help!
>
Really Old Records
http://www.reallyoldrecords.com
http://stores.ebay.com/Really-Old-Records?RefID=store
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Really-Old-Records/113492545338506?ref=search
http://www.amazon.com/shops/reallyoldrecords
http://astore.amazon.com/playmyrecords-20
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 10:59:50 -0700
From: "J. E. Knox" <rojoknox at metroeast.org>
Subject: Re: [78-L] Date, personnel for Brunswick 3744 Rodney Rogers'
Red Peppers?
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Greetings from FixitLand!
On 21 May 2013, at 10:57 AM, Roger Wade wrote:
> Hi J.E.,
>
> Here is the listing from Lord's online Jazz Discography:
>
> Rodney Rogers' Red Peppers : 2 steel-g, g and b
> Chicago, October 14, 1927
> C-1318 Milenberg joys Br 3744
> C-1320 Chile blues -
>
> For what it's worth.
Thanks, Roger! Definitely no washboard. Didn't expect two steel guitars. The label spells it CHILI BLUES, for what *that's* worth.
Take care,
?
Joe
?
"If cats are 'pets' and people are 'masters' why am I the one standing here with a Pooper Scooper?"?Karl Knox (1960?2005)
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 11:13:39 -0700
From: Cary Ginell <soundthink at live.com>
Subject: Re: [78-L] Date, personnel for Brunswick 3744 Rodney Rogers'
Red Peppers?
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There is also an ensemble vocal chorus on "Milenberg Joys."
The song is spelled "Chile Blues" on OKeh 41102, with the group listed as The Three Jacks. The flip side of this pairing is "Spanish Shawl," recorded 6/28/28.
There's a passage in my biography of Milton Brown where pianist Fred Calhoun recalls performing on KTAT with this group. According to Calhoun, they were from Chicago. The leader's name was Jack Stone.
Cary Ginell
On May 21, 2013, at 10:59 AM, J. E. Knox <rojoknox at metroeast.org> wrote:
> Greetings from FixitLand!
>
> On 21 May 2013, at 10:57 AM, Roger Wade wrote:
>
>> Hi J.E.,
>>
>> Here is the listing from Lord's online Jazz Discography:
>>
>> Rodney Rogers' Red Peppers : 2 steel-g, g and b
>> Chicago, October 14, 1927
>> C-1318 Milenberg joys Br 3744
>> C-1320 Chile blues -
>>
>> For what it's worth.
>
> Thanks, Roger! Definitely no washboard. Didn't expect two steel guitars. The label spells it CHILI BLUES, for what *that's* worth.
>
> Take care,
>
>
>
> ?
> Joe
> ?
> "If cats are 'pets' and people are 'masters' why am I the one standing here with a Pooper Scooper?"?Karl Knox (1960?2005)
>
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 11:29:25 -0700
From: Jeff Lichtman <jeff at swazoo.com>
Subject: Re: [78-L] Date, personnel for Brunswick 3744 Rodney Rogers'
Red Peppers?
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Both Laird and Rust give a recording date of October 14, 1927. Rust gives the instrumentation as two steel guitars, one regular guitar and vocal - no washboard nor uke.
>I've a question regarding a recent acquisition, Brunswick 3744 "Milenberg Joys"/"Chili Blues" by Rodney Rogers' Red Peppers. . .
>?
>J. E. Knox "The Victor Freak"
- Jeff Lichtman
jeff at swazoo.com
Check out Swazoo Koolak Photography
at http://swazoo.com/
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 11:33:40 -0700 (PDT)
From: Mike Harkin <xxm.harkin at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [78-L] The Goldbergs ^
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Oy, gevaldt!? Such shlock? -- almost enough to make the Seinfeld clip the other day look good.
Mike in Plovdiv
________________________________
From: David Lennick <dlennick at sympatico.ca>
To: 78L <78-L at 78online.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 7:53 PM
Subject: [78-L] The Goldbergs ^
Not about 78s, not even about vintage radio or TV....a new sitcom has been
scheduled, about a wacky family in the 80s, and it's called "The Goldbergs".
Yayyy! We got African-Americans on tv, we got gays and lesbians on tv, now a
program that from the cast list looks as if it has one Jew, George Segal (maybe
Jeff Garlin as well) and every other ethnicity represented, including an actor
named Troy Gentile.
http://ca.ign.com/videos/2013/05/14/the-goldbergs-trailer
Ha ha looks real funny. Oy.
dl
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