[78-L] Approximating 78s age by physical characteristics

[Ryan Wolfe]

They are.


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I'm pretty sure the blue and gold acoustical Columbias are laminated. 

Ron L

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English Columbias were laminated until the EMI merger, as were Parlophones. 
(This is oversimplification since it doesn't tell when these labels began to
be
laminated.) French pressings of just about everything were laminated into
the 50s, ditto Australian from a certain point.

Capitol 78s were notoriously breakable in the 40s and got worse in the 50s,
but they used vinyl for promotional pressings and usually didn't indicate
this anywhere. Find a black vinyl Capitol and you've got one of the quietest
records ever made. Unfortunately some of their promos were on thicker
heavier "Superflex", designed for children's records, and these are noisier.

There's a lot more to it..Brunswicks and their bargain derivatives like
Vocalion usually weren't laminated, but exceptions turn up. When CBS bought
ARC, lamination stopped for a couple of years and the early red Columbias
and OKehs are quite breakable, till lamination returned in the early 40s. A
lot of their client pressings, like Liberty Music Shops and Schirmer, turn
up on noisy unlaminated shellac and quiet laminated material, sometimes
within the same album. And at some point in the mid 50s, red Columbias
became solid shellac again.

Again, over-simplification.

dl

On 3/3/2013 6:59 PM, David London wrote:
>>>> first laminated pressings
>> Columbia and American were doing laminated pressings in maybe 1902 or 3.
>>    The Columbia Marconi Velvet-Tone flexible plastic discs in 1907 
>> were laminated. But Columbia was doing solid pressings as well until 
>> the introduction of the New Process in 1923.
>>
>>
>
> I noticed you capitalised "New Process".  Was this the start of the 
> modern laminated pressings?
>
> Amongst all the modern (post WW2?) 78s I have, labels like Columbia, 
> HMV, Parlophone, Philips are thicker and nicely laminated, but some 
> still seem to be thin unlaminated - such as red Capitol label - the 
> later Capitol went to purple and were laminated. (a side note - the 
> red label Capitols all seem to have more surface noise as well) 
> There's probably a whole long story here, and it may well be 
> country/continent specific.
>
> Is it possible to put an approximate date on when the "modern" 
> laminated disc was first used mainstream?  Seems that nearly all later 
> big band era and jazz records I have are laminated, except a few, such 
> as red Columbia label from the US.  The impression I am forming is 
> that the main changeover to laminated was happening about or just before
WW2.
> The earliest I have noticed are perhaps some Regal-Zonophones from the
30's.
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