[78-L] well, no one's ever mourned a critic

[Gene Baron]

Yes, the Slonimsky book is full of great reviews and insults, and I
think it helps us get some insight into how differently some composers
were viewed when they were alive, at least in some quarters -- Verdi
"incapable of writing a melody" and things like that.

Gene

On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 6:34 PM, Philip Carli
<Philip_Carli at pittsford.monroe.edu> wrote:
> I think that also contains Tchaikovsky's reference to Brahms as a "giftless bastard".  I've always had a soft spot for Tchaikovsky...
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> 'Tis indeed!  Probably where I remembered the Reger shtik from.
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> --- On Fri, 3/1/13, Nathan Coy <nathanpcoy at gmail.com> wrote:
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> From: Nathan Coy <nathanpcoy at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] well, no one's ever mourned a critic
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> Date: Friday, March 1, 2013, 8:53 PM
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> This one is always a fun book to have on the shelf.
>
> http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/615276
>
> Nathan
>
> On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 12:42 PM, Mike Harkin <xxm.harkin at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Max Reger is said to have sent a letter to a particularly vile critic:  "I am in the smallest
>> room in my house.  I have your criticism before me.  Soon it will be behind me."  Probably
>> where most criticism ends up, so to speak.
>>
>> Mike in Plovdiv
>>
>> --- On Fri, 3/1/13, Philip Carli <Philip_Carli at pittsford.monroe.edu> wrote:
>>
>> From: Philip Carli <Philip_Carli at pittsford.monroe.edu>
>> Subject: Re: [78-L] well, no one's ever mourned a critic
>> To: "78-L Mail List" <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
>> Date: Friday, March 1, 2013, 7:13 PM
>>
>> I wouldn't dispute your own deriving entertainment from his work, but I would shy from personally extending it as a general premise.  I've ploughed through those three volumes, as until recently there's been very little easily accessible collected late-Victorian music criticism, and found considerable viciousness and pretension rather than insight; if he hadn't become a successful playwright ("there's a very good word called 'dramatist'", wrote W. S. Gilbert with some irritation when he was knighted as a "playwright", but I won't apply it to Shaw) his criticism would be buried with Louis Engel's and James Davison's, and certainly not given the unmerited weight by historians that it has been.  I'm not fond of Shaw in any medium except his 1928 Movietone short film appearance.  PC
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>> On 01/03/2013, Philip Carli wrote:
>>
>>> You have to do something else rather just criticism to be mourned, I
>>> think. If Shaw had remained only a music critic, he would not only be
>>> unmourned, but rightfully reviled. He was mostly malicious rather than
>>> constructive. PC
>>
>> But very entertaining to read.
>>
>> ("Shaw's Music", 3 thick paperback volumes.)
>>
>> Regards
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>> Don Cox
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