[78-L] E*AY Seller Complaint - Bait & Switch on a $300 Record

[Michael Biel]

I agree with Erwin and everybody else. Get that record back to the guy 
FAST and get your money back.  You have lucked out that you have been 
able to redeem your falling for overpaying for a replica.

One note, however, it IS a 64 year old record, and although to US that 
might not be old, it is to most people.  Remember, when John Steiner 
supplied the collector market with this replica in 1948, the original 
was only 20 years old -- and already as rare then as it is now!!!  When 
classic jazz collecting began around 1938, some of these ten year old 
records were already scarce!!  It is fascinating to read Record Changer 
and other magazines of the 30s and 40s to see how important these 78 
reissues were to collectors.   This Steiner replica is a relic of THAT 
era, but not worth $300!!!

Mike Biel  mbiel at mbiel.com

On 1/4/2013 2:10 PM, Erwin Kluwer wrote:
> Man just return the record ASAP!!! You have overpaid at least 10 times the
> real value, even if it *was* in pristine shape...!!!  Good luck! Erwin
>
> On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 7:30 PM, Tim Huskisson
> <timhuskisson at btinternet.com>wrote:
>
>> I thought those 'burn' marks were just light reflection in the photo.
>> In this case, clearly the item wasn't as described.  Regards  Tim Huskisson
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From:  Tim Huskisson
>>
>> I was expecting your photos to show a record in much poorer condition. I
>> have to say that since the photos on Ebay have increased contrast - which
>> can often hide light marks, I'd presume it was the same record. My only
>> gripe would have been the N- grading. It still looks like a respectable E+
>> copy to me though. Perhaps there is groove wear that I can't see.
>> Regards  Tim Huskisson
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Clifford Bolling
>>
>>
>> Here are some pictures of the record I received:
>>
>> http://pdx78s.cdbpdx.com/PAR14022/
>>
>> Compare that with the photos and description in the auction.  It is the
>> same
>> silver label record, just a different one.
>>
>> 'Twould have been nice to have received an original gold label Paramount of
>> this record, even in this condition.
>>
>> Still haven't heard from 2ndfiddlerecords.  Keeping my fingers crossed!
>> Also, there was $2.31 postage due at delivery.
>>
>> CDB
>>
>>
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>> From: Michael Biel <mbiel at mbiel.com>
>>
>>
>> Clifford --  Looking through this listing,
>>
>>
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/BLIND-LEMON-JEFFERSON-Unplayed-PARAMOUNT-14022-Blues
>>
>> -78-Chock-House-Blues-/121039784517?ru=http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_sacat
>>
>> =0&_from=R40&_nkw=121039784517&_rdc=1&nma=true&si=%2B7OtV2i9HMb0iuzfIS8%2Fl3
>> 6nfxE%3D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557<http://www.ebay.com/itm/BLIND-LEMON-JEFFERSON-Unplayed-PARAMOUNT-14022-Blues-78-Chock-House-Blues-/121039784517?ru=http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_sacat=0&_from=R40&_nkw=121039784517&_rdc=1&nma=true&si=%2B7OtV2i9HMb0iuzfIS8%2Fl36nfxE%3D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557>
>>
>> he tells a very long and detailed story about how John Steiner produced the
>> black and silver pressings in the late 40s.  As Roger said, he knew he was
>> selling a late 40s replica, and actually he is telling you that in the
>> listing.  As Harold said, he should tell you it is a replica if it is, and
>> he DID tell you.  In the specifications under sub genre he states "John
>> Steiner: Paramount Records".
>>
>> You say that the record you received is not the one in the photo. Is it a
>> black and silver?  Or did he actually sell a black and gold original from
>> the 1920s.  If what you got is a black and silver, whether or not it is the
>> exact one in the photo, he told you what it was.  If there is significent
>> label damage, that is not noted in the description or photos and you might
>> luck out and get a refund.  But you can't get a refund by claiming it is a
>> 1920s original because his description never said it was.  If the label
>> damage is because it is a black and gold original, you did better than
>> could be expected!   Mike Biel mbiel at mbiel.com