[78-L] Are we allowed to quote people in a book or article when they submit something to the group?

[Mike Harkin]

Many there are who could benefit from reading Dr Biel's statement here,
but if they did, probably  wouldn't -- "This doesn't apply to me, of course."

Mike in Plovdiv

--- On Sat, 11/24/12, Michael Biel <mbiel at mbiel.com> wrote:

> From: Michael Biel <mbiel at mbiel.com>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Are we allowed to quote people in a book or article when they submit something to the group?
> To: "78-L Mail List" <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> Date: Saturday, November 24, 2012, 3:55 AM
> To give my answer to Donna's original
> question, I usually allow my
> writings and postings to be used, with credit of course,
> although I like
> to be able to make corrections and updates on things I might
> have
> written decades ago.  I think you asked me for
> something years ago and I
> agreed, but if I missed seeing a more recent request, let me
> know. As an
> educator (despite being retired) that is what I am here
> for!  Credit is
> important. As a trained researcher I was taught that your
> writing is
> only as good as where you got your information from. 
> EVERY fact and
> opinion in my dissertation is source identified.  There
> are some books,
> such as those by Eric Barnouw, that I used as an index and
> finding aid
> to his sources because I found Barnouw to be a very
> unreliable
> interpreter of information.  All scientific experiments
> must be
> repeatable, and the same is true of our historical research,
> so source
> identification is necessary.  
> 
> And as a researcher I do want credit for my research. 
> I do get upset
> when I find what is obviously my research being used by an
> author as if
> it was theirs.  That has happened, and in one notable
> case I did
> complain and thereafter have gotten wonderful credit from
> them.  When I
> was getting photos of album covers for my pre-Steinweiss
> presentation I
> had so many names to credit that it took over a minute of
> time at the
> start of the talk.  We don't do these things alone, and
> it actually was
> impressive that I had help from so many of you. 
> 
> Mike Biel  mbiel at mbiel.com
> 
> 
> -------- Original Message --------
> 
> From: <gdkimball at cox.net>
> 
> 
> 
> This has become a common practice in publishing, but I agree
> with the
> comments in this document from the American Musicological
> Society: 
> 
> http://www.ams-net.org/AMS_Fair_Use_Statement.pdf
> 
> Is there actually case law that supports the total ban on
> fair use of
> lyrics, or is it just the fear of going up against corporate
> lawyers
> that enforces the rule? For instance, the decision in
> Campbell v.
> Acuff-Rose Music held that use of lyrics in a parody was in
> fact
> allowed. 
> 
> I know, it's complicated. 
> 
> Gregg
> 
> 
> ---- Cary Ginell <soundthink at live.com>
> wrote: 
> > You need to get permission for quoting lyrics. There is
> no such thing as fair use when it comes to this. Publishers
> may grant gratis permission based on the circumstances, but
> permission of some sort must be received.
> > 
> > Cary Ginell
> > 
> > On Nov 23, 2012, at 8:15 AM, Bud Black <banjobud at cfl.rr.com>
> wrote:
> > 
> > > And what if someone posts the lyrics to a song?
> > > 
> > > Sent from my iPad
> > > 
> > > On Nov 23, 2012, at 8:56 AM, <gdkimball at cox.net>
> wrote:
> > > 
> > >> 
> > >> Fair use has four "legs," so to speak. The
> ones that I can easily recall are 1. what is the commercial
> value of the work being used and the effect of use on it's
> value to the author 2. What is the amount of the work being
> used as a percentage of the whole; and 3. the nature of the
> use, i.e. commercial, educational, etc. Of course, all that
> is weighed in the real world, thus conventions and rules of
> thumb have arisen, like x number of words.
> > >> 
> > >> Gregg
> > >> 
> > >> ---- Donna Halper <dlh at donnahalper.com>
> wrote: 
> > >>> On 11/22/2012 10:53 PM, Mark Bardenwerper
> wrote:
> > >>>> On 11/22/2012 6:49 AM, ERIC BYRON
> wrote:
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>> Hi,
> > >>>>> 
> > >>>>> If somebody(ies) e-mails the
> discussion group with information that we would like to
> include in a book or article, is it permissible to quote
> them using their name? The reason I ask is that I have
> contacted a number of people whether I could include their
> statements in a book I hope to eventually finish. Only one
> person has not gotten back to me. I can certainly work
> around his statement, but the piece would sound better if I
> could include him.
> > >>>>> 
> > >>> 
> > >>> I generally get permission before using
> something, as a courtesy; I've 
> > >>> even tracked people down by phone just to
> let them know I was gonna 
> > >>> quote them. (As I understand it, all you
> need to do is make a 
> > >>> good-faith effort to contact the person.)
> If all else fails, I was 
> > >>> under the impression that anything under
> 250 words can be considered 
> > >>> "fair use" and used without permission.
> And some scholars have also 
> > >>> noted that there is no expectation of
> privacy on the internet, since 
> > >>> even e-mails to a list-serv can be posted
> in digest form and read by 
> > >>> non-list members, thus making them
> quotable to the general public.
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