[78-L] Cameo dates - was ROYCROFT label

[Han Enderman]

I have several label images from the Roycroft English Singers Album, containing 151-162.
On 156 'Down In Yon Forest' the mx is visible, being Cameo mx 2801.
This was recorded early Jan 1928 (an interesting coincidence for a mx numbered 2801)
Trying to establish the exact date, there were discrepancies between Russell's Country Music dg (CMR),
Rust's ADBD and Ty's ODP. The new ADBD is not available.
Assuming that CMR is correct, the Rust dates are too early, but given as "circa".
ODP lists Rust's "c." dates as definitive dates, and thus they are too early.
I have compiled a list of most of the mxs/dates adjacent to mx 2801.

Can someone give more accurate dates, possibly from ADBORAF?
Here is a working list of mxs with dates:

Cameo mxs
2784-87 = 6 Jan 1928 Dalhart (CMR)
2788-90 = c. 2 Jan 1928 Haing (ADBD)
-- 2789 = 2 Jan 1928 Bob Haring (ODP)
-- 2790 = 2 Jan 1928 Society Night Club O. - Cameo 8119 (ODP)
2791-93 = c. 4 Jan 1928 San Lanin (ADBD)
-- 2791-93 = 4 Jan 1928 San Lanin (ODP)
2794-96 = c. 5 Jan 1928 Haing (ADBD)
-- 2796 = 5 Jan 1928 Detroiters (ODP)
2797, 2799 = George Hall Orch, Jan 1928 (ODP) - Cameo 8113 (not in ADBD)
--> Prob. also including 2798.
2801 = Roycroft 156 English Singers
--> 2800 and/or 2802 also on Roycroft ?
2803 = c. 9 Jan 1928 San Lanin (ADBD)
- 2803 = 9 Jan 1928 San Lanin (ODP)
2804-06 ??
2807-09 = c. 10 Jan 1928 Haring (ADBD)

han enderman
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>>> Can anyone supply discographical data for any ROYCROFT recordings ??

This label was produced by THE ROYCROFTERS (Elbert Hubbard, arts-crafts movement), 
East Aurora, NY in the late 1920's - dates variously given as 1927-1930, some up to 1933.  
Supposedly pressed by CAMEO (NYC), distributed by Wm.H.Wise & Co.
Anyone have information about WHERE they were recorded.

Performers primarily THE ENGLISH SINGERS, but also Marion Kerby & John Jacob Niles, 
Rudolph Gruen, The Gilberts, Gerry Riegger.
Catalog numbers I am aware of range from 151 - 180
.
Are there any CATALOGS?  REVIEWS?  ADVERTISEMENTS? etc. ????
Does anyone have the CD: THE ENGLISH SINGERS OF LONDON - Eclectra 2039 ??
  Are these all from Roycroft, HMV or both??
  Do the annotations contain any matrix numbers for the Roycroft recordings??

ROYCROFT fascinates me.  I would like to see a complete discography, and any references to these 
recordings - Perhaps those on this list can make that happen?
Thomas.
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I sold a Rudolph Gruen disc a couple of months ago as well as the Cheerio album 
(the Gilberts are in it), and I have 2 or 3 incomplete sets of The English 
Singers, with some variant sides. I first found out about this label while 
scanning Jim Hadfield's Record Research magazines (and photocopying several of 
them..I've since acquired a long run of them). The discs are all recorded and 
pressed by Cameo and the matrix numbers fit with that label. Lousy surfaces. 
Everything I've seen seems to be from about 1929 but they were certainly 
available after that date since the English Singers are listed in the 1931 
Gramophone Shop catalogue.
dl
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