[78-L] RRe: question for dance band experts

[Erwin Kluwer]

And what about "The Ragtime Drummer" by James Lent on a Lambert cylinder
from 1903..This could qualify as one of the earliest hot/ proto jazz drum
solos on record...


Erwin

On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 6:51 PM, Philip Carli <
Philip_Carli at pittsford.monroe.edu> wrote:

> Tom Stacks uses his full kit on Edison 51929-R, "Earl Oliver's Jazz
> Babies" (the Edison equivalent of the Six Jumping Jacks) doing "Sam, the
> Old Accordion Man", January 1927 but still acoustic, and it comes across
> pretty well. It's also one of the few times you hear Stacks extensively as
> a drummer. Edison was a bit more flexible with dance band drums on
> occasion, it seems. Drums were used more extensively on acoustical
> classical orchestral and band recordings going back as far as 1905, and if
> they were placed correctly in the studio they certainly didn't muddy
> reproduction.  There's some pretty ferocious tympani playing on the Victor
> Concert Orchestra's first sides under Walter Rogers in 1906-07, the
> contemporary Colonne Orchestra sides for Pathe, most of the pre-war Musica
> della Regia Marina Italiana Fonotipia discs, and the full kit and kaboodle
> (tympani, triangle, cymbals, going full tilt) in the Chicago Symphony's
> first sides for Columbia, among dozens of other American a
>  nd European examples. PC
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> I might have missed mention of this in a previous post, so if so forgive
> me,
> .but one thing that in the acoustic era the one big difference between the
> recordings and they way they played on the dance stand was the use of the
> drums.  Acoustic sides rarely use the full drum kit. Percussion was reduced
> to the cymbal crash and the chinese block which stood in for the snare
> drum.
> Anything else muddied the reproduction. If you want to hear an " acoustic "
> era dance band as they played during gigs , listen to that Youtube vid of
> Ben Bernie playing for the early de Forest Photophone short in 1925.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAExrFCVVT0  and if you turn up your bass
> you
> can actually hear the drummer.  He's still  playing quietly but he's there
> .
> The other recording that really does show the difference is that HMV Victor
> demonstration disc side of Jack Shilkret doing You and on both sides: once
> acoustic and one electric. In the electrical version they let the
> percussion
> go wild. And in a way  they didn't allow on most early electric sides
> either. >
> > The New Orleans Rhythm Kings insisted that bassist Steve Brown
> participate
> > in their Gennett recordings even though the instrument couldn't actually
> > be recorded just to keep the feel of the live performance
>
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> > From: Doug Pomeroy [mailto:audiofixer at verizon.net]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 06:04 PM
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> > Subject: Re: [78-L] question for dance band experts
> >
> > Don't forget, a majority of the New Orleans jazz bands used string
> > bass.Buddy Bolden, Sam Morgan, Jelly Roll Morton, many others.> > I doubt
> > that it would have occurred to anyone to use a bass in the 20s. The >
> > guitar wasn't even coming into use yet and banjos were still popular. If
> > you > couldn't dance to it or march to it, why bother?> > dlDoug
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