[78-L] oldest metal parts

[Kristjan Saag]

Are you referring to US Berliners or the German discs? Direct cut 
commercial recordings or stampers?

Some of the commercial recordings that were produced by Emile Berliner's 
brother in Germany 1890-1893 were direct cut zinc discs, as opposed to 
the usual hard rubber pressings.
These (positive) zinc discs have, probably, all been played, whereas the 
stampers (whether the original father plate or stampers made from 
positive mother plates) could be pretty fresh.
And when we talk about "metal parts", we mean stampers, don't we?
Kristjan


On 2012-10-14 13:29, Erwin Kluwer wrote:
> The zinc Berliners are positive and thus can played directly..
>
> On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 3:05 AM, neechevoneeznayou at gmail.com <
> neechevoneeznayou at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> So were these vinyls pressed from metal parts, or transfers made direct
>> to CD from the metal parts without the extra generation of a pressing?
>>
>> I would like to discover the oldest existing metal part that can be
>> heard as a direct transfer, not a pressing made there from.
>>
>> For clarity, are the Berliners positives or negatives?
>>
>> These would certainly be interesting to hear in direct transfers.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> joe salerno
>>
>> On 10/13/2012 12:01 PM, Erwin Kluwer wrote:
>>> Historic Master released quite some 1902 recordings from the original
>>> metals: among them recordings of Battistini, Van Rooy, etc.. Indeed some
>> of
>>> the 1902 metals of Caruso are know to exist.. ... Even further there are
>>> surviving zinc masters of Berliner recordings, actually I own some of
>>> those....
>>>
>>> Erwin
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 7:51 PM, David Weiner <djwein at earthlink.net>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The 1904 Nellie Melba & Tamango classical discs, reissued by Historic
>>>> Masters? I believe a few of the 1902 Caruso G&Ts still exist as metal
>>>> parts - or am I wrong?
>>>>
>>>> Dave Weiner
>>>>
>>>> On 10/12/12 1:42 PM, "neechevoneeznayou at gmail.com"
>>>> <neechevoneeznayou at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> What are the oldest metal parts known to survive? Has anyone ever
>> issued
>>>>> same on a CD or LP?
>>>>>
>>>>> The oldest I am thinking of are those of the DDs at the Edison
>>>>> Historical site, but have not been reissued.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anything older?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> --
>>>>> Joe Salerno
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