[78-L] Somebody Needs to Step in and Educate this Guy

[David Lennick]

The item is "no longer available" (pulled around 9:11 last night, it appears) 
but the photos and description are still viewable. Hey, he'd have sent it by 
Media Mail for $4!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=370632986650

dl

On 7/22/2012 10:18 PM, Michael Biel wrote:
> MORE STINK.  THE WHITE LABEL'S EDGES ARE UNEVEN, AND THE 4TH PHOTO MAKES
> IT LOOK GLUED ON WITH ANOTHER SCRAPED-OFF MATRIX NUMBER!!!!  Look at the
> 9 oclock side of label -- it looks higher than the shellac.  Then look
> at the very top right of the photo in the land it looks like there is a
> roughened section, just like you see on the reverse side where a matrix
> number would be.
>
>
> I think we have a BIG TIME FRAUD here.  Somebody capture the ebay page
> before it disappears.
>
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> Mike Biel  mbiel.com
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>    -------- Original Message --------
>   Subject: Re: [78-L] Somebody Needs to Step in and Educate this Guy
>   From: "Michael Biel"<mbiel at mbiel.com>
>   Date: Sun, July 22, 2012 10:06 pm
>   To: "78-L Mail List"<78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
>
>   This record stinks like rotten Wisconsin cheese. Russ Shor alerted us
>   to this record on Facebook yesterday on the "Come On and Stomp Stomp
>   Stomp" page with the posting of a photo of the REAL Zulu's Ball. The
>   real one has six closely spaced lead-out grooves, the usual handwritten
>   matrix number right at the grooves at the 6 oclock position, and a
>   pressing ring close to the spindle hole like most Gennetts. Mark
>   Beresford posted a photo of a REAL 1923 Gennett test which has that
>   pressing ring, a yellow label that has TEST at the top in large regular
>   serif type, and underlined spaces for (in smaller type) DATE, TITLE, to
>   the right of the hole LAB NO., and under the hole BY. Below that it
>   says in smaller letters RECORDING TEST with spaces for DATE, NO., and
>   BY. Mark doesn't say if it is a single sided pressing, but I recall
>   seeing some Gennett test that were not only single sided but had large
>   regularly spaced quarter inch bumps all over the other side.
>
>   But what REALLY stinks about the ebay record is the reverse side. Look
>   at it. It is a Comumbia-type laminated pressing with the Columbia
>   pressing ring, a label with all the printing rubbed off, AND A MATRIX
>   NUMBER WHICH HAS BEEN SCRAPED OFF.
>
>   I have a suspicion that the Zulu's Ball side might be a production test
>   pressing of a post-war pirate reissue. Biltmore did one of Zulu's Ball,
>   and I can go check if anyone did one of Just Gone. (I just got several
>   hundred Record Changer and other jazz journals from the 40s and 50s at
>   the bash.)
>
>   Mike Biel mbiel at mbiel.com
>   -------- Original Message --------
>
>   From: Cary Ginell<soundthink at live.com>
>   >>  Wonder if he played it on the Califone record player it's sitting
> on. I wouldn't do that with a $99,000 record. Cary Ginell
>
>   On Jul 22, 2012, at 5:26 PM, david.diehl at hensteeth.com wrote:
>   >  Odd that the disc is pretty shopworn but the label is clean and white
>
>   >(and not very authentic to my eye). David
>
>   >  -----Original Message-----
>   >  From: David Lewis [mailto:uncledavelewis at hotmail.com]
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>   >
>   >
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=370632986650&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123
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>   If it is an authentic record, and it looks like the real deal, then it
>   would be an awesome find that could well illuminate the tortured
>   trajectory of the most famous jazz 78 of all. But the sum is beyond
>   ridiculous, the disc is not in the best of shape, and it would be nice
>   to know what the mx. is onthe unlabeled flip. Of course, if someone was
>   really in the know, and conducting a scam, they could use a real
> Gennett
>   test and pencil in these notations; the disc couldby anything. Uncle
>   Dave Lewis
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