[78-L] Somebody Needs to Step in and Educate this Guy

[Michael Biel]

MORE STINK.  THE WHITE LABEL'S EDGES ARE UNEVEN, AND THE 4TH PHOTO MAKES
IT LOOK GLUED ON WITH ANOTHER SCRAPED-OFF MATRIX NUMBER!!!!  Look at the
9 oclock side of label -- it looks higher than the shellac.  Then look
at the very top right of the photo in the land it looks like there is a
roughened section, just like you see on the reverse side where a matrix
number would be.


I think we have a BIG TIME FRAUD here.  Somebody capture the ebay page
before it disappears.  



Mike Biel  mbiel.com





  -------- Original Message --------
 Subject: Re: [78-L] Somebody Needs to Step in and Educate this Guy
 From: "Michael Biel" <mbiel at mbiel.com>
 Date: Sun, July 22, 2012 10:06 pm
 To: "78-L Mail List" <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
 
 This record stinks like rotten Wisconsin cheese. Russ Shor alerted us
 to this record on Facebook yesterday on the "Come On and Stomp Stomp
 Stomp" page with the posting of a photo of the REAL Zulu's Ball. The
 real one has six closely spaced lead-out grooves, the usual handwritten
 matrix number right at the grooves at the 6 oclock position, and a
 pressing ring close to the spindle hole like most Gennetts. Mark
 Beresford posted a photo of a REAL 1923 Gennett test which has that
 pressing ring, a yellow label that has TEST at the top in large regular
 serif type, and underlined spaces for (in smaller type) DATE, TITLE, to
 the right of the hole LAB NO., and under the hole BY. Below that it
 says in smaller letters RECORDING TEST with spaces for DATE, NO., and
 BY. Mark doesn't say if it is a single sided pressing, but I recall
 seeing some Gennett test that were not only single sided but had large
 regularly spaced quarter inch bumps all over the other side. 
 
 But what REALLY stinks about the ebay record is the reverse side. Look
 at it. It is a Comumbia-type laminated pressing with the Columbia
 pressing ring, a label with all the printing rubbed off, AND A MATRIX
 NUMBER WHICH HAS BEEN SCRAPED OFF. 
 
 I have a suspicion that the Zulu's Ball side might be a production test
 pressing of a post-war pirate reissue. Biltmore did one of Zulu's Ball,
 and I can go check if anyone did one of Just Gone. (I just got several
 hundred Record Changer and other jazz journals from the 40s and 50s at
 the bash.)
 
 Mike Biel mbiel at mbiel.com 
 -------- Original Message --------
 
 From: Cary Ginell <soundthink at live.com>
 >> Wonder if he played it on the Califone record player it's sitting
on. I wouldn't do that with a $99,000 record. Cary Ginell
 
 On Jul 22, 2012, at 5:26 PM, david.diehl at hensteeth.com wrote:
 > Odd that the disc is pretty shopworn but the label is clean and white

 >(and not very authentic to my eye). David
 
 > -----Original Message-----
 > From: David Lewis [mailto:uncledavelewis at hotmail.com]
 
 > 
 >
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=370632986650&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123

 
 If it is an authentic record, and it looks like the real deal, then it
 would be an awesome find that could well illuminate the tortured
 trajectory of the most famous jazz 78 of all. But the sum is beyond
 ridiculous, the disc is not in the best of shape, and it would be nice
 to know what the mx. is onthe unlabeled flip. Of course, if someone was
 really in the know, and conducting a scam, they could use a real
Gennett
 test and pencil in these notations; the disc couldby anything. Uncle
 Dave Lewis