[78-L] Rozsa dates

[Michael Biel]

On 2012-05-29 01:59, David Lennick wrote:
>>> Just to confuse everyone further, the back panel of a Capitol EP lists other
>>> such sets, and both Red House and Spellbound Concerto are listed as 453. dl

On 5/28/2012 8:17 PM, Kristjan Saag wrote:
>> That was a double-EP.  The Rozsa Discography (see my previous post)
>> has FaP 1-453 for "Spellbound" and FaP 2-453 for "The Red House". Kristjan

From: David Lennick <dlennick at sympatico.ca>
> Interesting. The EP back liner I was referring to has no prefixes at all
> so it didn't indicate doubles.  dl

Capitol album numbers don't mean anything without the prefixes.  They
re-used the numbers all the time including the 78 RPM numbers, and they
would have 12-inch versions of 10-inch with the same number but
different prefixes.  In the early 70s they started over from 100 on
their LPs!  They skipped over the numbers of several low number albums
still in print like Unforgettable.

Mike Biel  mbiel at mbiel.com  


>>
>> On 5/28/2012 7:44 PM, Kristjan Saag wrote:
>>> So we need to know what Billboard meant with Capitol repackaging
>>> material "previously issued" on the P 456. And that was apart from "The
>>> Red House".
>>> Both Kloss' "Quo Vadis" and his "Speelbound Concerto" were also out on
>>> Capitol 45 rpm EP's: FBF-454 and FaP 1-453; both using the same cover
>>> images as the 10'' LP's. Probably issued at the same time as well.
>>> I've fund no trace of 78's with this stuff, though.
>>> See also:
>>> http://www.mrs.miklosrozsa.info/pmsfiles/PMS45.pdf
>>> Seems pretty reliable - no issue or recording dates, though.
>>> Kristjan
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2012-05-29 01:12, David Lennick wrote:
>>>> I should have remembered, they WERE simultaneous releases..453, 454 and 456 are
>>>> all listed in Schwann (March 1954, I don't have anything earlier except 1951).
>>>>
>>>> On 5/28/2012 6:13 PM, David Lennick wrote:
>>>>> You're correct about the L and P designations..they're listed that way in
>>>>> Schwann in 1954. Prefixes aside, why would 453, 454 and 456 not have been
>>>>> issued at the same time? Capitol did this with many albums (usually classical)
>>>>> that could be two ten-inch singles and a double twelve-incher. There were also
>>>>> a number of reissues once the ten-inch format was dead, but this is not a
>>>>> reissue. By the way, what's on 452? There's a hole there in Randy Stewart et
>>>>> al's Capitol discography.
>>>>>
>>>>> I still question whether the Spellbound Concerto was recorded this late. The
>>>>> sound in no way matches the Quo Vadis Suite and sounds like an old tape
>>>>> horribly over-equalized. The Red House has better sound and that's taken from
>>>>> 16" lacquers recorded in Hollywood in 1947!
>>>>>
>>>>> dl
>>>>>
>>>>> On 5/28/2012 4:19 PM, Kristjan Saag wrote:
>>>>>> The 10'' LP with music from Quo Vadis (Capitol L 454 - not T 454) and
>>>>>> the 10'' LP with music from "Spellbound" (L 453 - not T 453) were, as
>>>>>> you say, suites - not just assorted cues from the soundtracks - which
>>>>>> probably motivated the new issues. Kloss and Rosza were close
>>>>>> collaborators and the Capitol 10'' LP's and the subsequent 12'' P 456
>>>>>> (later T 456) were most certailnly done with Roszas consent.
>>>>>> The release date of the P 456 seems to have been November 1953 -
>>>>>> Billboard has an article that mentions the issue:
>>>>>> http://books.google.se/books?id=aAoEAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA46&dq=erich+kloss&hl=en&sa=X&ei=KNrDT8KiMszU4QTp__iRCg&ved=0CFQQ6AEwCA#v=onepage&q=erich%20kloss&f=false
>>>>>> Which means that the 10'' albums were out before that. Most
>>>>>> discographers have 1953 as issue date for both L 453 and L 454 (see, for
>>>>>> instance: http://www.bsnpubs.com/capitol/04capitol450-599.html) so early
>>>>>> 1953 is a good guess, with recording dates in 1952.
>>>>>> Kristjan
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2012-05-28 18:56, David Lennick wrote:
>>>>>>> Does anyone know the approximate recording dates for the Miklos Rozsa suites on
>>>>>>> Capitol T456 (ten-inch versions on T453 and T454)? The lp issues date from 1954
>>>>>>> but the recordings vary so much in quality and 1954 is a late date for a 1951
>>>>>>> score which had already appeared in soundtrack form on MGM.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> SPELLBOUND CONCERTO..Erich Kloss& Frankenland State Orchestra (the recording
>>>>>>> is so muddy, I doubt that it's from as late as 1954)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> THE RED HOUSE..Rosza& Studio Orchestra (this is definitely the 78RPM set
>>>>>>> recorded in 1947)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> QUO VADIS SUITE..Kloss& Frankenland State Orchestra again (COULD be 1954..)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> dl