[78-L] Rozsa dates

[David Lennick]

Just to confuse everyone further, the back panel of a Capitol EP lists other 
such sets, and both Red House and Spellbound Concerto are listed as 453.

dl

On 5/28/2012 7:44 PM, Kristjan Saag wrote:
> So we need to know what Billboard meant with Capitol repackaging
> material "previously issued" on the P 456. And that was apart from "The
> Red House".
> Both Kloss' "Quo Vadis" and his "Speelbound Concerto" were also out on
> Capitol 45 rpm EP's: FBF-454 and FaP 1-453; both using the same cover
> images as the 10'' LP's. Probably issued at the same time as well.
> I've fund no trace of 78's with this stuff, though.
> See also:
> http://www.mrs.miklosrozsa.info/pmsfiles/PMS45.pdf
> Seems pretty reliable - no issue or recording dates, though.
> Kristjan
>
>
> On 2012-05-29 01:12, David Lennick wrote:
>> I should have remembered, they WERE simultaneous releases..453, 454 and 456 are
>> all listed in Schwann (March 1954, I don't have anything earlier except 1951).
>>
>> On 5/28/2012 6:13 PM, David Lennick wrote:
>>> You're correct about the L and P designations..they're listed that way in
>>> Schwann in 1954. Prefixes aside, why would 453, 454 and 456 not have been
>>> issued at the same time? Capitol did this with many albums (usually classical)
>>> that could be two ten-inch singles and a double twelve-incher. There were also
>>> a number of reissues once the ten-inch format was dead, but this is not a
>>> reissue. By the way, what's on 452? There's a hole there in Randy Stewart et
>>> al's Capitol discography.
>>>
>>> I still question whether the Spellbound Concerto was recorded this late. The
>>> sound in no way matches the Quo Vadis Suite and sounds like an old tape
>>> horribly over-equalized. The Red House has better sound and that's taken from
>>> 16" lacquers recorded in Hollywood in 1947!
>>>
>>> dl
>>>
>>> On 5/28/2012 4:19 PM, Kristjan Saag wrote:
>>>> The 10'' LP with music from Quo Vadis (Capitol L 454 - not T 454) and
>>>> the 10'' LP with music from "Spellbound" (L 453 - not T 453) were, as
>>>> you say, suites - not just assorted cues from the soundtracks - which
>>>> probably motivated the new issues. Kloss and Rosza were close
>>>> collaborators and the Capitol 10'' LP's and the subsequent 12'' P 456
>>>> (later T 456) were most certailnly done with Roszas consent.
>>>> The release date of the P 456 seems to have been November 1953 -
>>>> Billboard has an article that mentions the issue:
>>>> http://books.google.se/books?id=aAoEAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA46&dq=erich+kloss&hl=en&sa=X&ei=KNrDT8KiMszU4QTp__iRCg&ved=0CFQQ6AEwCA#v=onepage&q=erich%20kloss&f=false
>>>> Which means that the 10'' albums were out before that. Most
>>>> discographers have 1953 as issue date for both L 453 and L 454 (see, for
>>>> instance: http://www.bsnpubs.com/capitol/04capitol450-599.html) so early
>>>> 1953 is a good guess, with recording dates in 1952.
>>>> Kristjan
>>>>
>>>> On 2012-05-28 18:56, David Lennick wrote:
>>>>> Does anyone know the approximate recording dates for the Miklos Rozsa suites on
>>>>> Capitol T456 (ten-inch versions on T453 and T454)? The lp issues date from 1954
>>>>> but the recordings vary so much in quality and 1954 is a late date for a 1951
>>>>> score which had already appeared in soundtrack form on MGM.
>>>>>
>>>>> SPELLBOUND CONCERTO..Erich Kloss&      Frankenland State Orchestra (the recording
>>>>> is so muddy, I doubt that it's from as late as 1954)
>>>>>
>>>>> THE RED HOUSE..Rosza&      Studio Orchestra (this is definitely the 78RPM set
>>>>> recorded in 1947)
>>>>>
>>>>> QUO VADIS SUITE..Kloss&      Frankenland State Orchestra again (COULD be 1954..)
>>>>>
>>>>> dl