[78-L] A last audio artifact...

Tue Apr 10 05:22:13 PDT 2012

For anyone who is interested, here is Charles Lightoller's (2nd Officer TITANIC, and the only surviving senior officer) own recollection of the night of 14 April 1912.  Interesting to me on several counts: 1) there are few BBC recordings of any sort left from the mid-1930s, 2) the contrast between the BBC accent of the announcer and Lightoller's very distinctive broad Lancashire, 3) Lightoller tells a story well and his voice does not sound like that of an older man (he was 62 at this time) and 5) when we see photographs of neatly dressed early-1900s passenger ship's officers we rather expect them to sound like Kenneth More (who played Lightoller in NIGHT TO REMEMBER) rather than working men.  They were seamen first, then (of necessity) social interactors with people of all classes. PC

http://www.bbc.co.uk/archive/titanic/5047.shtml
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It comes from believing your own propaganda.  Somebody should have told them -- or they weren't listening if somebody did tell them  -- there is
NO SUCH THING as an unsinkable ship.  NOR an uncrackable safe, NOR an
uncrackable code, NOR escape-proof prison....  Pure hubris!

--- On Mon, 4/9/12, Philip Carli <Philip_Carli at pittsford.monroe.edu> wrote:

> From: Philip Carli <Philip_Carli at pittsford.monroe.edu>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Titanic Songs ENOUGH ALREADY
> To: "78-L Mail List" <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> Date: Monday, April 9, 2012, 11:03 PM
> You know, I only keep my Edison
> electrical DD of "The Sinking of the VESTRIS" because my
> grandfather was slated to sail with her as a steward but
> missed the boat (probably because of being on a
> bender).  Now _that's_ a disaster that hit records
> pretty quickly (and incredibly so for Edison).  PC
> ________________________________________
> From: 78-l-bounces at klickitat.78online.com
> [78-l-bounces at klickitat.78online.com]
> on behalf of Cary Ginell [soundthink at live.com]
> Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 6:00 PM
> To: 78-l at klickitat.78online.com
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Titanic Songs ENOUGH ALREADY
>
> It was mainly because of two reasons: one was the fact that
> this monstrosity was proclaimed over and over again to be
> "unsinkable." Second was who was on board: the wealthy hoi
> polloi of industry and upper crustian status. People
> magazine would have drooled over a story like that.
>
> But you are correct - the Titanic was not the only ship to
> sink. And here's a perfect example. A similar disaster
> occurred only a year-and-a-half later on a vessel called the
> Volturno. This was the ship my family was coming to America
> on from Russia. You've never heard of it because there were
> no rich people on board and the ship was nothing
> extraordinary. But it was big news in 1913, big enough to
> monopolize the pages of the NY Times for several weeks. I
> wrote an article about this, which was published in the
> Jewish Journal in 1998. Here's a link:
>
> http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~daamen1/volturno/saga.htm
>
> To be perfectly selfish about it, I am grateful for the
> Titanic's sinking because it enabled emergency communication
> devices to aboard the vessel that sank with my family on
> board. I would not be here today if not for those measures
> being installed in all ocean liners after the Titanic
> calamity.
>
> Cary Ginell
>
>
> > Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 17:45:54 -0400
> > From: dlennick at sympatico.ca
> > To: 78-l at klickitat.78online.com
> > Subject: Re: [78-L] Titanic Songs ENOUGH ALREADY
> >
> > Am I the only person in the world who finds Titanic
> obsession sick beyond
> > belief? Was this the only ship that ever sank in the
> history of the world?
> > Sorry, but I have to let it out. As for the movie, I
> stood 4 minutes of it till
> > I heard DiCrapio's so-called acting and said "That's
> it, folks". Yes it was a
> > tragedy. It sank. People died. People died when the
> Hindenburg exploded. People
> > died in mine disasters. People died in WWII. People
> died the other month when
> > an idiot captain ran a luxury liner aground. People die
> because dictators are
> > dictators. Will someone PLEASE explain what was so
> special about this one
> > particular tragedy that raises it above others?
> >
> > Ready to receive brickbats.
> >
> > dl
> >
> > On 4/9/2012 5:35 PM, Philip Carli wrote:
> > > Well, not only were the crew British, the ship was
> the pride of Britain's merchant marine at a time of enormous
> competition (TITANIC was exceeded as "world's largest ship"
> by the German HAPAG liner IMPERATOR in 1913, which itself
> was exceeded by the Cunarder AQUITANIA in 1914 and then
> bounced back to HAPAG's VATERLAND that same year before war
> broke out), and the majority of passengers were British or
> under British governance. As for popular song
> memorialization at the time, perhaps this was too
> awe-inspiringly terrible. Take a look at two poems written
> immediately after the disaster: Ben Hecht's bitter "Master
> and Man" (referring to White Star Chairman J. Bruce Ismay
> surviving while Capt. Edward Smith went down with the ship),
> and Thomas Hardy's sombre "The Convergence of the Twain".
> Both were written for public display, Hecht's for printing
> in a Chicago newspaper, and Hardy's for reading at a London
> Titanic benefit performance. They might give some sense of
> contempor
> > ary general popular feeling. PC
> > > ________________________________________
> > > From: 78-l-bounces at klickitat.78online.com
> [78-l-bounces at klickitat.78online.com]
> on behalf of Rodger Holtin [rjh334578 at yahoo.com]
> > > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 12:34 PM
> > > To: 78-L Mail List
> > > Subject: Re: [78-L] Titanic Songs
> > >
> > > Hmmm. so that's the story: one Hebrew prayer
> record issued in America and a handful of patriotic items
> from the British, and the rest waited until the Dalhart Era.
> I can see why this may have resounded with the British a bit
> more than in America - the crew were British, we lost
> tourists and incoming immigrants. Still seems a little odd
> that Tin Pan Alley didn't jump on this, they sure cranked
> out the maudlin in previous decades, and could have churned
> out something.
> > >
> > > That said, I have noticed, however, that a bunch
> of Christian hymns with nautical themes got recorded or
> re-recorded about that time:
> > > Let the Lower Lights be Burning
> > > Throw Out the Life Line
> > > Remember Me Oh Mighty One
> > > There Is a Sea
> > > Oh God Our Help in Ages Past
> > > and others, not to mention Nearer My God to Thee
> which was supposed to have been played by the band as the
> ship went down, or so it was told at the time. I think I
> even read that on a vintage news paper or somewhere like
> that. I think I've heard that later research seems to
> inidicate it was another, similar tune and those who have
> read the books about the band members might have more
> information on that. True, those are and have been
> evergreens for decades, but I see them show up on records
> from the 'teens pretty regularly.
> > >
> > > I also note that Asleep in the Deep was recorded
> in 1913, so no direct Titanic items until the Dalhart Era,
> but lots of ancillary items in America anyway.
> > >
> > > Rodger
> > >
> > > For Best Results use Victor Needles.
> > >
> > > .
> > >
> > > --- On Mon, 4/9/12, Eric<bear128 at verizon.net>
> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Eric<bear128 at verizon.net>
> > > Subject: Re: [78-L] Titanic Songs
> > > To: "78-L Mail List"<78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> > > Date: Monday, April 9, 2012, 4:18 AM
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I don't know if the following cantorial will help,
> but Cantor Yossele
> > > Rosenblat recorded the funeral prayer, "El Mole
> Rachmin für Titanik (Farn
> > > Titanik)" in 1913 on Victor 35312-B. It certainly
> does not fall under
> > > bluegrass/country.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Bill Knowlton
> > > Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 9:53 PM
> > > To: 78-L (2)
> > > Subject: [78-L] Titanic Songs
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hey, Gang...help me with country/bluegrass
> recordings about theTitanic so I
> > > can get some of 'em on my tribute show next
> weekend.
> > >
> > > Thank yew!
> > >
> > >
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