[78-L] Titanic Songs ENOUGH ALREADY [fwd]

Tue Apr 10 00:14:35 PDT 2012

It comes from believing your own propaganda.  Somebody should have told them -- or they weren't listening if somebody did tell them  -- there is
NO SUCH THING as an unsinkable ship.  NOR an uncrackable safe, NOR an
uncrackable code, NOR escape-proof prison....  Pure hubris!

--- On Mon, 4/9/12, Philip Carli <Philip_Carli at pittsford.monroe.edu> wrote:

> From: Philip Carli <Philip_Carli at pittsford.monroe.edu>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Titanic Songs ENOUGH ALREADY
> To: "78-L Mail List" <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> Date: Monday, April 9, 2012, 11:03 PM
> You know, I only keep my Edison
> electrical DD of "The Sinking of the VESTRIS" because my
> grandfather was slated to sail with her as a steward but
> missed the boat (probably because of being on a
> bender).  Now _that's_ a disaster that hit records
> pretty quickly (and incredibly so for Edison).  PC
> ________________________________________
> From: 78-l-bounces at klickitat.78online.com
> [78-l-bounces at klickitat.78online.com]
> on behalf of Cary Ginell [soundthink at live.com]
> Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 6:00 PM
> To: 78-l at klickitat.78online.com
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Titanic Songs ENOUGH ALREADY
> 
> It was mainly because of two reasons: one was the fact that
> this monstrosity was proclaimed over and over again to be
> "unsinkable." Second was who was on board: the wealthy hoi
> polloi of industry and upper crustian status. People
> magazine would have drooled over a story like that.
> 
> But you are correct - the Titanic was not the only ship to
> sink. And here's a perfect example. A similar disaster
> occurred only a year-and-a-half later on a vessel called the
> Volturno. This was the ship my family was coming to America
> on from Russia. You've never heard of it because there were
> no rich people on board and the ship was nothing
> extraordinary. But it was big news in 1913, big enough to
> monopolize the pages of the NY Times for several weeks. I
> wrote an article about this, which was published in the
> Jewish Journal in 1998. Here's a link:
> 
> http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~daamen1/volturno/saga.htm
> 
> To be perfectly selfish about it, I am grateful for the
> Titanic's sinking because it enabled emergency communication
> devices to aboard the vessel that sank with my family on
> board. I would not be here today if not for those measures
> being installed in all ocean liners after the Titanic
> calamity.
> 
> Cary Ginell
> 
> 
> > Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 17:45:54 -0400
> > From: dlennick at sympatico.ca
> > To: 78-l at klickitat.78online.com
> > Subject: Re: [78-L] Titanic Songs ENOUGH ALREADY
> >
> > Am I the only person in the world who finds Titanic
> obsession sick beyond
> > belief? Was this the only ship that ever sank in the
> history of the world?
> > Sorry, but I have to let it out. As for the movie, I
> stood 4 minutes of it till
> > I heard DiCrapio's so-called acting and said "That's
> it, folks". Yes it was a
> > tragedy. It sank. People died. People died when the
> Hindenburg exploded. People
> > died in mine disasters. People died in WWII. People
> died the other month when
> > an idiot captain ran a luxury liner aground. People die
> because dictators are
> > dictators. Will someone PLEASE explain what was so
> special about this one
> > particular tragedy that raises it above others?
> >
> > Ready to receive brickbats.
> >
> > dl
> >
> > On 4/9/2012 5:35 PM, Philip Carli wrote:
> > > Well, not only were the crew British, the ship was
> the pride of Britain's merchant marine at a time of enormous
> competition (TITANIC was exceeded as "world's largest ship"
> by the German HAPAG liner IMPERATOR in 1913, which itself
> was exceeded by the Cunarder AQUITANIA in 1914 and then
> bounced back to HAPAG's VATERLAND that same year before war
> broke out), and the majority of passengers were British or
> under British governance. As for popular song
> memorialization at the time, perhaps this was too
> awe-inspiringly terrible. Take a look at two poems written
> immediately after the disaster: Ben Hecht's bitter "Master
> and Man" (referring to White Star Chairman J. Bruce Ismay
> surviving while Capt. Edward Smith went down with the ship),
> and Thomas Hardy's sombre "The Convergence of the Twain".
> Both were written for public display, Hecht's for printing
> in a Chicago newspaper, and Hardy's for reading at a London
> Titanic benefit performance. They might give some sense of
> contempor
> > ary general popular feeling. PC
> > > ________________________________________
> > > From: 78-l-bounces at klickitat.78online.com
> [78-l-bounces at klickitat.78online.com]
> on behalf of Rodger Holtin [rjh334578 at yahoo.com]
> > > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 12:34 PM
> > > To: 78-L Mail List
> > > Subject: Re: [78-L] Titanic Songs
> > >
> > > Hmmm. so that's the story: one Hebrew prayer
> record issued in America and a handful of patriotic items
> from the British, and the rest waited until the Dalhart Era.
> I can see why this may have resounded with the British a bit
> more than in America - the crew were British, we lost
> tourists and incoming immigrants. Still seems a little odd
> that Tin Pan Alley didn't jump on this, they sure cranked
> out the maudlin in previous decades, and could have churned
> out something.
> > >
> > > That said, I have noticed, however, that a bunch
> of Christian hymns with nautical themes got recorded or
> re-recorded about that time:
> > > Let the Lower Lights be Burning
> > > Throw Out the Life Line
> > > Remember Me Oh Mighty One
> > > There Is a Sea
> > > Oh God Our Help in Ages Past
> > > and others, not to mention Nearer My God to Thee
> which was supposed to have been played by the band as the
> ship went down, or so it was told at the time. I think I
> even read that on a vintage news paper or somewhere like
> that. I think I've heard that later research seems to
> inidicate it was another, similar tune and those who have
> read the books about the band members might have more
> information on that. True, those are and have been
> evergreens for decades, but I see them show up on records
> from the 'teens pretty regularly.
> > >
> > > I also note that Asleep in the Deep was recorded
> in 1913, so no direct Titanic items until the Dalhart Era,
> but lots of ancillary items in America anyway.
> > >
> > > Rodger
> > >
> > > For Best Results use Victor Needles.
> > >
> > > .
> > >
> > > --- On Mon, 4/9/12, Eric<bear128 at verizon.net>
> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Eric<bear128 at verizon.net>
> > > Subject: Re: [78-L] Titanic Songs
> > > To: "78-L Mail List"<78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> > > Date: Monday, April 9, 2012, 4:18 AM
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I don't know if the following cantorial will help,
> but Cantor Yossele
> > > Rosenblat recorded the funeral prayer, "El Mole
> Rachmin für Titanik (Farn
> > > Titanik)" in 1913 on Victor 35312-B. It certainly
> does not fall under
> > > bluegrass/country.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Bill Knowlton
> > > Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 9:53 PM
> > > To: 78-L (2)
> > > Subject: [78-L] Titanic Songs
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hey, Gang...help me with country/bluegrass
> recordings about theTitanic so I
> > > can get some of 'em on my tribute show next
> weekend.
> > >
> > > Thank yew!
> > >
> > >
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