[78-L] Etched pathe values??

Tue Jan 31 05:56:51 PST 2012

Don't know what they are worth but I'd love to buy one of the military band
ones if I can afford it.

Ron

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I wanted to ask the groups opinion I have some 11 and 14 inche etched pathe
dealer stock,military bands and some symphony orchestras that i plan on
selling a few but I am wondering what is a fair asking?.I'm not trying to
get rich but then i don't want to give them away..thanks

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1. Re: New blog devoted to 78rpm records (Michael Biel) 2. Re: New blog
devoted to 78rpm records (Ken Matheson) 3. Length of Durium Hit of the Weed
recordings? (Dennis Flannigan) 4. Re: Length of Durium Hit of the Weed
recordings? (David Lennick) 5. Re: Length of Durium Hit of the Weed
recordings?
(Michael Shoshani)
6. First country recording? (David Lennick) 7. Re: First country recording?
(Cary Ginell) 8. Re: First country recording? (Gregg Kimball) 9. Re: First
country recording? (Gregg Kimball) 10. Re: First country recording? (David
Lennick) 11. Re: First country recording? (L78rpm at aol.com) 12. Re: Length of
Durium Hit of the Weed recordings? (banjobud) 13. Re: First country
recording? (banjobud) 14. Re: First country recording? (David Lennick) 15.
Re: First country recording? (maceo) 16. Re: First country recording? (Gregg
Kimball) 17. Re: New blog devoted to 78rpm records (Thomas HENRY) 18. Re:
First country recording? (Mike Daley) 19. Re: New blog devoted to 78rpm
records (Thomas HENRY) 20. Re: first country recording? (L78rpm at aol.com) 21.
Re: First country recording? (David Sanderson)

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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 15:46:28 -0500
From: Michael Biel <mbiel at mbiel.com>
Subject: Re: [78-L] New blog devoted to 78rpm records
To: 78-L Mail List <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
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On 1/28/2012 4:54 PM, Malcolm Rockwell wrote:
> O god, another punster. This time in French!!
> Mal
>
> *******
>
> On 1/28/2012 11:39 AM, Thomas HENRY wrote:
>> Yes, the common sense is that 78s were made of bakelite, but my 
>> blog's name is also a reference to a famous French song by Serge 
>> Gainsbourg mentioning "seins de bakelite" (breasts of bakelite), 
>> "ceints de bakelite" (my blog's name, pronounced in the same way) 
>> meaning "surrounded by bakelite". OK, this reference is hardly 
>> understandable outside of France...
It might be a good idea to put this explanation of the origin of the name
and the pun in your "about" page, along with a statement that 78s were
mostly made of SHELLAC. Of all of the common plastics, Bakelite is the least
likely to be used for making records, partially because of how it has to be
moulded, but also because it is not re-meltable.

But the idea of breasts of bakelite in a Serge Gainsbourg song is
interesting. What does he mean? Is he complaining about hard implants? One
source in Englisn by Jerome Viger-Kohler said "'Tes petits sens de bakelite
me surexcitent'. I just have to say I love the word 'Bakelite'. Since I am a
kid (my parents used to listen to Gainsbourg a lot), I think 'Bakelite'
sounds very sexy. It sounds like Kryptonite with love power!" Since Superman
LOSES his power with Kryptonite, this also is a strange image. But looking
at a translation of the whole song it seems that he is singing about girls
"Twenty years, eighteen, seventeen years on the edge" who excite him with
"Your small breasts bakelite Fluttering". Sounds like the image of Jane
Birkin!

By the way, your blog is interesting, and I have put in comments on your two
recent Soviet records.

Mike Biel mbiel at mbiel.com

>>
>> 2012/1/28 David Breneman<david_breneman at yahoo.com>:
>>> From: Thomas HENRY<thomashenry81 at gmail.com>
>>>
>>>
>>>> I'm a new member in this list. I created a few months ago the blog 
>>>> "Ceints de bakelite" devoted to my 78rpm records collection.
>>> Are 78s popularly believed to be made of Bakelite in France?
>>> As you probably know, many Americans thought they were made of wax.

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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 13:58:28 -0800 (PST)
From: Ken Matheson <kenmath at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [78-L] New blog devoted to 78rpm records
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Your Blog site is good. You must have put a lot of effort into it. Most of
the people on this list are not beginners. They are heavy duty dudes, and
have a lot of good information to share. Many are retired and this is a good
monotony breaker.
So the puns are good for morel. 
?
Wait until election time, this list will really heat up.
?
Ken

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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 14:15:28 -0800
From: Dennis Flannigan <dennis.flannigan at gmail.com>
Subject: [78-L] Length of Durium Hit of the Weed recordings?
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I'll start with, Thank You to all who suggested how to play a warped,
excellent condition Durium paper recording.
All the advice I got was helpful. Clothespins popped off, and other
solutions didn't quite work. What did work, was clamping the disc down
overnight with a 10" reel to reel hub, which took out most of the warp.
Then, I recorded it. Seemed a little slow, but not bad. When the recording
reached five minutes, I wondered what's going on here. How can this paper
disc be so long?

Then, concerning long playing time for 78s, today's 78-l posting provides
the following about squeezing music onto a 78 rpm recording:

"Not that difficult if they filtered the bass and used a tight groove pitch.
Hit of the Weeks ran over 5 minutes in the last year, and last week I sold
an ARC Theatre Use Record from 1931 that played over 5'." dl

Does anyone know the actual time of the Vernon Dalhart's, "Letter Edged in
Black, on Durium, #9-2. Even shortened to what I think is pretty close to
actual time it is well over four minutes, and now I'm thinking maybe the
five minute recording was really five minutes. Help!

Dennis

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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 17:25:32 -0500
From: David Lennick <dlennick at sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: [78-L] Length of Durium Hit of the Weed recordings?
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Depends on the kind of weed, man....

Exhale.

(Couldn't resist!)

And yes, Hit of the Weeks began to run well over 4 minutes once they went
into the letter+number system of cataloguing.

dl

On 1/29/2012 5:15 PM, Dennis Flannigan wrote:
> I'll start with, Thank You to all who suggested how to play a warped, 
> excellent condition Durium paper recording.
> All the advice I got was helpful. Clothespins popped off, and other 
> solutions didn't quite work. What did work, was clamping the disc down 
> overnight with a 10" reel to reel hub, which took out most of the 
> warp. Then, I recorded it. Seemed a little slow, but not bad. When the 
> recording reached five minutes, I wondered what's going on here. How 
> can this paper disc be so long?
>
> Then, concerning long playing time for 78s, today's 78-l posting 
> provides the following about squeezing music onto a 78 rpm recording:
>
> "Not that difficult if they filtered the bass and used a tight groove 
> pitch. Hit of the Weeks ran over 5 minutes in the last year, and last 
> week I sold an ARC Theatre Use Record from 1931 that played over 5'." 
> dl
>
> Does anyone know the actual time of the Vernon Dalhart's, "Letter 
> Edged in Black, on Durium, #9-2. Even shortened to what I think is 
> pretty close to actual time it is well over four minutes, and now I'm 
> thinking maybe the five minute recording was really five minutes. Help!
>
> Dennis
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 17:02:43 -0600
From: Michael Shoshani <mshoshani at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [78-L] Length of Durium Hit of the Weed recordings?
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On 01/29/2012 04:25 PM, David Lennick wrote:
> Depends on the kind of weed, man....
>
> Exhale.
>
> (Couldn't resist!)

I'd love to find Cheech and Chong on Hit of the Week, but I don't think I
could enDurium.

(We have a reputation for bad puns to keep going, now...)

MS

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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 19:17:25 -0500
From: David Lennick <dlennick at sympatico.ca>
Subject: [78-L] First country recording?
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I've just transferred two fiddle solos by Don Richardson, recorded in May
1916 for Columbia. It's been suggested somewhere that this is the first
country music recording session. Anyone concur?

dl

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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 16:43:55 -0800
From: Cary Ginell <soundthink at live.com>
Subject: Re: [78-L] First country recording?
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New territory to "concur"?

Cary 

On Jan 29, 2012, at 4:17 PM, "David Lennick" <dlennick at sympatico.ca> wrote:

> I've just transferred two fiddle solos by Don Richardson, recorded in 
> May 1916 for Columbia. It's been suggested somewhere that this is the 
> first country music recording session. Anyone concur?
> 
> dl
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 20:17:11 -0500
From: "Gregg Kimball" <gdkimball at cox.net>
Subject: Re: [78-L] First country recording?
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This really boils down to whether you consider Richardson a "country" 
performer. In Tony Russell's Country discography, he lumps Richardson with
Charles D'Almaine and others as "studio or stage musicians" who happened to
record vernacular material.

Part of the argument is also about where he was from. I've seen it mention
that he was from North Carolina, as if this alone establishes his bona
fides. Most of the things he recorded were were well known popular tunes,
such as "Devil's Dream," or began life as stage songs such as "Durang's
Hornpipe," etc. I'd give it to Eck.

Gregg Kimball

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Subject: [78-L] First country recording?

> I've just transferred two fiddle solos by Don Richardson, recorded in May 
> 1916
> for Columbia. It's been suggested somewhere that this is the first country
> music recording session. Anyone concur?
>
> dl
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Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 20:17:11 -0500
From: "Gregg Kimball" <gdkimball at cox.net>
Subject: Re: [78-L] First country recording?
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This really boils down to whether you consider Richardson a "country" 
performer. In Tony Russell's Country discography, he lumps Richardson with 
Charles D'Almaine and others as "studio or stage musicians" who happened to 
record vernacular material.

Part of the argument is also about where he was from. I've seen it mention 
that he was from North Carolina, as if this alone establishes his bona 
fides. Most of the things he recorded were were well known popular tunes, 
such as "Devil's Dream," or began life as stage songs such as "Durang's 
Hornpipe," etc. I'd give it to Eck.

Gregg Kimball

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From: "David Lennick" <dlennick at sympatico.ca>
To: "78L" <78-L at 78online.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 7:17 PM
Subject: [78-L] First country recording?

> I've just transferred two fiddle solos by Don Richardson, recorded in May 
> 1916
> for Columbia. It's been suggested somewhere that this is the first country
> music recording session. Anyone concur?
>
> dl
>
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Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 20:57:08 -0500
From: David Lennick <dlennick at sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: [78-L] First country recording?
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She stoops to concur.

dl

On 1/29/2012 7:43 PM, Cary Ginell wrote:
> New territory to "concur"?
>
> Cary
>
> On Jan 29, 2012, at 4:17 PM, "David Lennick"<dlennick at sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
>> I've just transferred two fiddle solos by Don Richardson, recorded in May
1916
>> for Columbia. It's been suggested somewhere that this is the first
country
>> music recording session. Anyone concur?
>>
>> dl
>>

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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 22:40:45 -0500 (EST)
From: L78rpm at aol.com
Subject: Re: [78-L] First country recording?
To: 78-l at klickitat.78online.com
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What do you make of Ward Barton's sides for Victor discs, the first in 
1909, and issued as 16303?
Does anyone who finds his way onto the vaudeville stage (perhaps) and into 
a recording studio a "studio or stage" musician?

pc

In a message dated 1/29/2012 8:14:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
gdkimball at cox.net writes:

This really boils down to whether you consider Richardson a "country" 
performer. In Tony Russell's Country discography, he lumps Richardson 
with 
Charles D'Almaine and others as "studio or stage musicians" who happened 

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