[78-L] Same take - different stamper?

David Lennick dlennick at sympatico.ca
Mon Dec 26 06:36:41 PST 2011


News to me! French and Australian, yes,  but I thought only Columbia had the 
process in England.

dl

On 12/26/2011 6:15 AM, Tim Huskisson wrote:
> Thanks David,
> But why impossible to be laminated? There are laminated BRITISH HMV's and
> Zonophones, though they don't turn up often.
> Regards
>
> Tim
>
>
>
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> Sent: 26 December 2011 03:38
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> Subject: Re: [78-L] Same take - different stamper?
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> Okay, the T1 is the answer..it's a dub. Victors would have a tiny R after
> the take number if the disc had been dubbed on this side of the Atlantic
> (and if I'm not mistaken, my Victor pressing IS a dub, with low static
> throughout). As for its being laminated, that's impossible unless it's an
> Australian pressing.
>
> dl
>
> On 12/25/2011 9:11 PM, Tim Huskisson wrote:
>> I was sorting through some 78 duplicates and discovered two copies of a
>> British HMV, number B-5629 with a performance of "I Lift Up My Finger And
> I
>> Say 'Tweet! Tweet!'" by Leslie Sarony with Jack Hylton's Orchestra. Both
> use
>> matrix BR2325 take2, but I'm puzzled as to why one copy has wider groove
>> spacing than the other. The distance from lead-in to lead-out is greater
> on
>> one of the copies, and consequently a smaller label is used.
>> I've listened carefully to both 'versions', but they are absolutely
>> identical performances, and this is confirmed by the 'take 2' symbol: II,
>> which appears in the lead-out area of both discs.
>> Does this mean that one of these is a dubbing? Or is it possible that two
>> masters were simultaneously cut at the recording session?
>> There may be a clue, in that the disc with the wider groove spacing and
>> small label appears to be laminated and has an additional marking in the
>> lead-out area: T1. I should mention that the reverse sides of both discs
> use
>> identical pressings with identical markings.
>> Any comments gratefully received.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Tim Huskisson
>>
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