[78-L] Commodore Records Question

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Gabler said the first record to actually turn a profit was Billie Holiday's "Strange fruit" so any repressings would post date that by quite some time.
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From: Clifford Bolling [mailto:78records at cdbpdx.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 08:28 PM
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Subject: [78-L] Commodore Records Question

Thanks for the information! So a chronology would go like:earliest - 144 E 42nd Streetmiddle - 46 West 52nd Streetlate - 136 E 42nd Streetlatest - no addressI have a Commodore 526 (recorded Apr 20, 1939) with the 136 E 42nd Street address. I've seen this same record with the 46 West 52nd Street address and another with no address, but none with the 144 East 42nd Street address. (An unscientific survey of 23 recent auctions shows about 3 to 1 in favor the the 136 East 42nd address and only a single with no address) Since the same record can be found with different addresses, one might assume the pressings were either earliest, middle, late, or latest pressings. The more popular recordings would have been pressed more than once while less popular ones might not have been re-pressed. Any way to find out which of these early Commodore issues might have been repressed and which were not? I guess it should be taken into consideration whether the addresses were used as a chronological device or something else, maybe different addresses depending on where they recording was done on a given day, or something like that.CDB ------------------------------Message: 24Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 18:13:02 +0100From: "Han Enderman" Subject: [78-L] Commodore Records QuestionTo: "78-L" <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>Message-ID: <9C399DB67DDB4B279B0C50B11615E1A2 at uwm58xnn8gj9na>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"The Sutton-Nauck label book (with ARLIE CD) is useful to study prewar label types which show diff. addresses,and for postwar adresses you can consult Gart's ARLD (which poss. took dates from Billboard, which is online).Looking at some Commodore label images, 1 - the earliest address mentioned is on Com 100 (ARLIE type I & II): 144 East 42nd Street, NYC (on Com Music Shop white labels).2 - This is also the first address in the common 500 series (on Com 500 by Eddie Condon).This variant of ARLIE type III is not shown on the ARLIE CD.3 - Next (ARLIE IIIA) is 46 West 52nd Street, which was used as tune title "Forty-Six West Fifty-Two" by Chu Berry on 11 Nov 1938 (Com 516). Last known issue (to me) with this address is 542 by Condon.4 - From Com 543 (Mel Powell) on, the address is 136 East 42nd Street. Last known issue (to me) with this address is 568 by Condon, recd 12-43 (date on label).A July 1946 Commodore ad still lists this address.5 - Later issues & reissues without address (ARLIE III B, IV).han enderman===>>> I talk a little bit about the Commodore shop in Chapter 1 of my Jazz Man book. The original Commodore store that Julius Gabler opened up in the early '20s was at 144 E. 42nd St., across the street from Grand Central Station next to the old Commodore Hotel (named for "Commodore" Cornelius Vanderbilt, hence the name). In 1938, Gabler's son Milt opened his own branch of the shop which became the famous record store at 46 W. 52nd St. I don't know anything about the first address at 136 E. 42nd St. unless it was an expanded address for the first shop, which basically sold radios, speaker supplies, and other electronic equipment. Cary Ginell> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 18:34:01 +0000> From: julianvein at blueyonder.co.uk> To: 78-l at klickitat.78online.com> Subject: Re: [78-L] Commodore Records Question> > The booklets accompanying the Mosaic Commodore LP set contains a lot of > information.> > Julian Vein> > ==============================> > On 28/11/11 18:31, Glenn Longwell wrote:> > Sounds like a good follow up book topic to Cary Ginell's Jazz Man Record Shop book...> >> > --- On Mon, 11/28/11, David Lennick wrote:> >> > From: David Lennick> > Subject: Re: [78-L] Commodore Records Question> > To: "78-L Mail List"<78-l at klickitat.78online.com>> > Date: Monday, November 28, 2011, 9:49 AM> >> > On 11/28/2011 9:04 AM, Clifford Bolling wrote:> >> Greetings. Recently, I discovered that my Commodore records have different addresses shown on the labels, even records with the same songs can have different addresses. The 3 addresses I've noticed are:> >>> >> 136 East 42nd Street> >> 144 East 42nd Street> >> 46 West 52nd Street> >>> >> Is there a specific chronology to these labels? What was the purpose of using 3 different addresses?> >>> >> Thanks! CDB<<<------------------------------_______________________________________________78-L mailing list78-L at klickitat.78online.comhttp://klickitat.78online.com/mailman/listinfo/78-l