[78-L] Long length Billy Murray acoustical Victors

[Royal Pemberton]

Re 'Farmyard medley'....you say the 1916 and 1912 recordings are the
identical performance even with the different groove pitches and ending
diameters.  Is one of them an S/8?  I'd think possibly so, unless
(conceivably) they used two recording machines at the same time cutting at
different pitches....though I haven't heard of that ever being done.

On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 10:21 PM, Ryan Barna <ryansrecords1 at hotmail.com>wrote:

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>
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> In answer to Mike's question,
>
> Victor records from 1908 to 1912 are particularly frustrating because they
> do not show takes, and just because a take was listed as "Master" in the
> ledger does not necessarily mean it was issued. For instance, there are a
> number of unissued titles in the ledgers with "Master" written next to the
> takes, but were obviously rejected and destroyed at some point, without
> anyone updating the status in the ledger. In another case, there are two
> takes that exist of Murray's "Over on the Jersey Side," but the ledger only
> lists take 3 as being issued, take 2 as destroyed, and take 1 as (probably)
> being held in the vault in Camden. Yet, two takes of "Over on the Jersey
> Side" were issued, based on aural evidence.
>
>
> Some later pressings on the batwing labels will show which takes were
> issued, but then again, a good portion of later pressings I've looked at
> don't.
>
> Just to make sure this response will be as accurate as possible, I looked
> back at my digitized images of the Victor ledgers and can confirm that this
> is what they list:
>
>
> BB 8698 "M" [Master] Night Trip to Buffalo (Descriptive) "Spec Label"
> 3/11/10
> BB 8698-2 "Des." Night Trip to Buffalo (Descriptive) "Spec Label" 3/11/10
> BB 8686-4 "M" [Master] Casey Jones 3/11/10
> BB 9142 "M" [Master] Farmyard Medley 6/28/10
> BB 9142-2 "Des." Farmyard Medley 6/28/10
>
> Takes 4, 6, 7, and 12 of "Casey Jones" were indeed marked as "Master" in
> the ledgers.
>
> "Farmyard Medley" (mx. 9142) definitely shows a "BB" prefix in the ledger,
> and should be noted in EDVR. (But interestingly, the blue history card only
> shows a single "B.") I've inspected two copies of 16676 -- one pressed in
> 1912, and another from around 1916. The grooves on the 1912 pressing are a
> lot narrower than I usually find them. The grooves on the 1916 pressing are
> wider, but the label is smaller, much smaller than the 1912 pressing. And I
> can assure you that the takes are the same, by aural comparison.
>
> Regarding Nos. 3090 ("Farmyard Medley") and 3513 ("Night Trip to Buffalo")
> -- one of the earliest numerical lists I have is July 1, 1905, and it
> doesn't list any records in the 3000 series, so we can assume that by this
> time they were all eliminated from sale, maybe earlier. The blue cards for
> the discs do not specify when they were withdrawn, which is probably why
> they're still on EDVR as being issued with these numbers.
>
>
> For "A Night Trip to Buffalo," I don't know where EDVR got take 3 from.
> It's not noted in the ledger or on the blue card. Was it from their
> "legacy" data? They should cite a source.
>
> Nos. 43 ("Night Trip to Buffalo") and 124 ("Farmyard Medley") continued to
> be listed in the catalogs until they were finally out in the May 1912
> edition. I have never seen copies of either one of these numbers with Billy
> Murray and the American Quartet, but based on the catalogs, I assume they
> were issued with those catalog numbers. In many cases Victor continued to
> offer the same selections in both single-sided and double-sided forms for
> customers who only wanted a single selection. (The 10" single-sided discs
> were 15 cents cheaper than the 10" double-sided discs.)
>
> -Ryan
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