[78-L] For old timey TV fans..slight 78RPM connection

[Andrea Walsh]

Jason,
Are those eleven episodes of "Winchell-Mahoney Time" available anywhere? I
have always wanted to see these, never have, and the clips on youtube are
just a tease!

Andrea Walsh
On Oct 27, 2011 2:48 PM, "Jason Beard" <soundssights71 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Jeff,
>
>   Eleven episodes of 'Winchell-Mahoney Time' exist.
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl at midcoast.com>
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> Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 12:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [78-L] For old timey TV fans..slight 78RPM connection
>
> If a series was the product of an independent producer, the elements
> could end up anywhere -- a lot of film elements have turned up over the
> years abandoned in bonded film storage warehouses and film labs and such
> places. Once a company ceased to exist, its assets might also end up in
> someone's garage and eventually be set out on the curb for the junkman.
>
> Individual prints were often bandsawed after their distribution rounds
> were finished -- the whole reel was passed thru a bandsaw blade and
> tossed in the trash to keep anyone from illegally using it. Other prints
> might escape the bandsawing but might be sent off for silver reclamation
> or just tossed out -- which is how most prints held by collectors of TV
> shows got there.
>
> Elizabeth
>
>
> on 10/27/11 12:06 PM Jeff Sultanof wrote:
>
> >I don't think anyone deliberately destroys negatives (vs. kinescopes),
> >although there are exceptions. The master video tapes of the children's
> >program "Winchell-Mahoney Time" were (supposedly) deliberately destroyed
> by
> >Metromedia when Winchell sued them over syndication rights (although there
> >are a couple of clips at You-Tube, so some may exist).
> >
> >For shows produced independently, the question often is: where are
> negatives
> >stored? The website for "I'm Dickens, He's Fenster" implies that there was
> >some detective work to find the negatives.
> >
> >Jeff Sultanof
> >
> >On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 11:55 AM, Julian Vein
> ><julianvein at blueyonder.co.uk>wrote:
> >
> >> On 27/10/11 16:16, Michael Biel wrote:
> >> > From: Julian Vein<julianvein at blueyonder.co.uk>
> >> >> Can anyone explain when a filmed, rather than live, series is sold to
> a
> >> >> TV company, what happens to the film after the airing? Have the
> company
> >> >> the rights to show it in perpetuity or do what they will with it?
> >> >> Julian Vein
> >> > ======================
> >> >
> >> > Syndication to local stations is usually paid on a per-episode basis
> for
> >> > a time period of a year or two, and the station can play the episodes
> as
> >> > many times as they want during that time period.  For example, if
> there
> >> > are 100 episodes and a station pays $5000 per episode, they run those
> >> > episodes and make their money by selling local ads which might only
> >> > bring in $2000 each airing.  So they don't make money until the third
> >> > airing on their station.  When the contract is up, the tapes of the
> >> > films go back (nobody syndicates the actual films anymore).
> >> >
> >> > There are many other types of contracts (usually secret) but this is
> the
> >> > general business model.
> >> >
> >> > Mike Biel  mbiel at mbiel.com
> >> >
> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> >
> >> Thanks Mike. Does this mean that when the films go back to the
> >> originator, they are kept by them? This would mean that they would end
> >> up with a warehouse full of the stuff and I can't imagine them being
> >> destroyed. This would seem to indicate that clean copies must still
> >> exist somewhere.
> >>
> >>      Julian Vein
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