[78-L] 78-L Digest, Vol 35, Issue 19

James Tennyson jtennyson at sympatico.ca
Sat Aug 13 12:29:15 PDT 2011 

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>   1.  The Rhythm Rockers featuring Chet Atkins (agp)
>   2. Re:  The Rhythm Rockers featuring Chet Atkins (Cary Ginell)
>   3. Re:  The Rhythm Rockers featuring Chet Atkins (agp)
>   4. Re:  The Rhythm Rockers featuring Chet Atkins (David Lennick)
>   5. Re:  The Rhythm Rockers featuring Chet Atkins (Cary Ginell)
>   6.  Fwd: Jazzfinder ?49 (Bill McClung)
>   7. Re:  Art Karle (Newton) (yves francois)
>   8. Re:  Imposed style [was Art Karle (Newton)] (Julian Vein)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 21:05:40 +0000
> From: agp <agp2176 at verizon.net>
> Subject: [78-L] The Rhythm Rockers featuring Chet Atkins
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> In digging throug my my stuff I ahppened across on old RCA 45 rpm DJ
> EP -- RCA Victor DJ-56, This disk combined singles 47-6808 - Tricky
> b/w Peanut Vendor by the Rhythm Rockers featuring Chet Atkins - with
> 47-6807 Die, I Thought I Would b/w That's What Sweethearts Do by Myrna 
> Lorrie.
>
> Leaving Myrna Lorrie to the side, I want to ask if anyone has any
> background on who the Rhythm Rockers were. Both track are a tasty
> slice of music and Atkins is at his best.
>
> I do see the Rhythm Rockers track did appear as a 78 according to my
> research (and Steve Abrams site) -- 20 prefix instead of 47
>
> And -- even though its not directly 78 related -- does anyone knwo
> the extent and purpose of this RCA DJ EP series
>
> T
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 14:16:36 -0700
> From: Cary Ginell <soundthink at live.com>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] The Rhythm Rockers featuring Chet Atkins
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> I have one other record by the Rhythm Rockers: Dig These Blues / 
> Martinique (47-6919)
>
> Cary Ginell
>
>> Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 21:05:40 +0000
>> To: 78-l at klickitat.78online.com
>> From: agp2176 at verizon.net
>> Subject: [78-L] The Rhythm Rockers featuring Chet Atkins
>>
>> In digging throug my my stuff I ahppened across on old RCA 45 rpm DJ
>> EP -- RCA Victor DJ-56, This disk combined singles 47-6808 - Tricky
>> b/w Peanut Vendor by the Rhythm Rockers featuring Chet Atkins - with
>> 47-6807 Die, I Thought I Would b/w That's What Sweethearts Do by Myrna 
>> Lorrie.
>>
>> Leaving Myrna Lorrie to the side, I want to ask if anyone has any
>> background on who the Rhythm Rockers were. Both track are a tasty
>> slice of music and Atkins is at his best.
>>
>> I do see the Rhythm Rockers track did appear as a 78 according to my
>> research (and Steve Abrams site) -- 20 prefix instead of 47
>>
>> And -- even though its not directly 78 related -- does anyone knwo
>> the extent and purpose of this RCA DJ EP series
>>
>> T
>>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 21:30:22 +0000
> From: agp <agp2176 at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] The Rhythm Rockers featuring Chet Atkins
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> At 21:16 12/08/2011, CG wrote:
>
>>I have one other record by the Rhythm Rockers: Dig These Blues /
>>Martinique (47-6919)
>>
>>Cary Ginell
>
> There was also
>
> 47 / 20-6796 Trambone b/w Blue Echo
>
> These tracks all seem to tie in around 56 and 57 and have been put on
> re-issue CDs of lps Finger Style Guitar and Hi-Fi in Focus
>
> T
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 18:04:55 -0400
> From: David Lennick <dlennick at sympatico.ca>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] The Rhythm Rockers featuring Chet Atkins
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> Not to be confused with The Rhythm Wreckers, a wonderful little Ben 
> Pollack group.
>
> dl
>
> On 8/12/2011 5:30 PM, agp wrote:
>> At 21:16 12/08/2011, CG wrote:
>>
>>> I have one other record by the Rhythm Rockers: Dig These Blues /
>>> Martinique (47-6919)
>>>
>>> Cary Ginell
>>
>> There was also
>>
>> 47 / 20-6796 Trambone b/w Blue Echo
>>
>> These tracks all seem to tie in around 56 and 57 and have been put on
>> re-issue CDs of lps Finger Style Guitar and Hi-Fi in Focus
>>
>> T
>>
>> ___________
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> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 15:24:25 -0700
> From: Cary Ginell <soundthink at live.com>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] The Rhythm Rockers featuring Chet Atkins
> To: <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
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>
> Or Big John Greer & the Rhythm Rockers, who recorded for Groove in the 
> 1950s
>
> and
>
> The Rhythm Rockers, Hardrock Gunter's rockabilly group that recorded for 
> Sun.
>
> Cary Ginell
>
>> Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 18:04:55 -0400
>> From: dlennick at sympatico.ca
>> To: 78-l at klickitat.78online.com
>> Subject: Re: [78-L] The Rhythm Rockers featuring Chet Atkins
>>
>> Not to be confused with The Rhythm Wreckers, a wonderful little Ben 
>> Pollack group.
>>
>> dl
>>
>> On 8/12/2011 5:30 PM, agp wrote:
>> > At 21:16 12/08/2011, CG wrote:
>> >
>> >> I have one other record by the Rhythm Rockers: Dig These Blues /
>> >> Martinique (47-6919)
>> >>
>> >> Cary Ginell
>> >
>> > There was also
>> >
>> > 47 / 20-6796 Trambone b/w Blue Echo
>> >
>> > These tracks all seem to tie in around 56 and 57 and have been put on
>> > re-issue CDs of lps Finger Style Guitar and Hi-Fi in Focus
>> >
>> > T
>> >
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> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 17:45:28 -0500
> From: Bill McClung <bmcclung78 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [78-L] Fwd: Jazzfinder ?49
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> From: <dialjazz at frontier.com>
> Date: Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 10:30 AM
> Subject: Jazzfinder ?49
> To: bmcclung78 at gmail.com
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>
> Hi Bill,
>
> I was hoping to be able to post this response to your query of a week ago
> but still can?t get on the List. I need to apply for a new password for
> posting.
>
> Jazzfinder ?49 was a onetime publication that took its name from the 
> monthly
> digest-size jazz magazine Jazzfinder, and was probably published by
> mid-1949. Jazzfinder, the magazine, was launched in 1948. Its last issue 
> was
> either November or December 1948. I have November but no December. The
> magazine?s name was changed to Playback, the first issue of which debuted 
> in
> January 1949. The magazine continued into 1952, with three issues being
> published. Jazzfinder ?49 was advertised on the back cover of Playback for
> about five months. Readers were told to order copies directly from the
> publisher. I don?t know if any copies were sold through specialty stores.
> Either way, distribution must have been small, and copies are now quite
> scarce, to say the least. I do not know if it was intended to be an annual
> ?year book,? but the one issue certainly seems like one. Before that,
> Esquire published Year Books in both hard and soft covers. The one issue 
> of
> Jazzways came in both hard and soft covers.  In 1950, Metronome launched 
> its
> first year book. The last, I think, was 1960. Down Beat also started
> publishing its own Year Book in 1956, and it ran for a number of issues 
> into
> the 1960s. All of these publications were very well produced and offer an
> amazing amount of photos and information.
> Geoffrey Wheeler
>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 16:48:00 -0700 (PDT)
> From: yves francois <aprestitine at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Art Karle (Newton)
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> Hi Julian
>    I have noticed that there are other times when Newton sears that way in 
> the middle 1930's (the March 1937 session on Variety - check "Please Don't 
> Talk About Me When I'm Gone")- there seems to be some similarities between 
> these two of my all time favourite trumpeters. Certainly there are tempo 
> and song choices that are similar - the same way that early middle 1940's 
> Commodore dates can on occasion sound similar in approach even with rather 
> different personnels. I have no problems identifying Newton here - except 
> that he is playing closer to the melody when playing the lead more so than 
> usual. Think about this Julian, he may have been playing it safe on his 
> first session as a leading horn (his only previous sessions were w Cecil 
> Scott, Bessie Smith, Sam Wooding -unissued to date - Buck and Bubbles and 
> Clarence Williams - none of which he was the lead trumpet in a small"jam" 
> band playing current pop titles) - what do you think?? Was it indeed the 
> song
> pluggers wanting the melody to be clear in both this session and the 
> numerous ones involving the 1936 Berigan ? Newton's originality come out 
> on the fourth title "Lights Out" in the muted solo ...
> nice chatting about Newton
> Yves Fran?ois
>
> --- On Fri, 8/12/11, Julian Vein <julianvein at blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> From: Julian Vein <julianvein at blueyonder.co.uk>
>> Subject: [78-L] Art Karle
>> To: "78-L Mail List" <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
>> Date: Friday, August 12, 2011, 8:27 AM
>> Have you noticed the ensemble sound
>> of the Art Karle and his Boys
>> session for Vocalion, January 13, 1936 sounds very much
>> like the Bunny
>> Berigan and his Boys sessions which commenced 24 February
>> 1936. Even
>> Frankie Newton plays with a searing tone reminiscent of
>> Bunny, and you'd
>> be hard-pressed to identify him as Newton. I wonder if a
>> "house-band"
>> style was imposed on them?
>>
>> ? ? ???Julian Vein
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> Message: 8
> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 11:07:01 +0100
> From: Julian Vein <julianvein at blueyonder.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Imposed style [was Art Karle (Newton)]
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> On 13/08/11 00:48, yves francois wrote:
>> Hi Julian
>>      I have noticed that there are other times when Newton sears that way 
>> in the middle 1930's (the March 1937 session on Variety - check "Please 
>> Don't Talk About Me When I'm Gone")- there seems to be some similarities 
>> between these two of my all time favourite trumpeters. Certainly there 
>> are tempo and song choices that are similar - the same way that early 
>> middle 1940's Commodore dates can on occasion sound similar in approach 
>> even with rather different personnels. I have no problems identifying 
>> Newton here - except that he is playing closer to the melody when playing 
>> the lead more so than usual. Think about this Julian, he may have been 
>> playing it safe on his first session as a leading horn (his only previous 
>> sessions were w Cecil Scott, Bessie Smith, Sam Wooding -unissued to 
>> date - Buck and Bubbles and Clarence Williams - none of which he was the 
>> lead trumpet in a small"jam" band playing current pop titles) - what do 
>> you think?? Was it indeed the song
>>   pluggers wanting the melody to be clear in both this session and the 
>> numerous ones involving the 1936 Berigan ? Newton's originality come out 
>> on the fourth title "Lights Out" in the muted solo ...
>> nice chatting about Newton
>> Yves Fran?ois
>>
> ===========================
> Another example of possible "imposed style" was the opening trumpet
> passage on Lionel Hampton's "High Society" (Victor). Because of its
> stridency, when I first heard it I assumed it was Ziggy Elman when, in
> fact, it was by Irving "Mouse" Randolph.
>
> Incidentally, I was impressed by Louis Thompson's bass playing on
> "Lights Out". Sounds like a forerunner of Wilbur Ware! I shall dig out
> my Willie Bryant LPs to check out his other work.
>
>      Julian Vein
>
>
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