[78-L] Matrix Numbers Question

[David Lennick]

And some of those side joins were truly lousy, like the big hole just before 
"The Great Gate at Kiev" on first issues of the Rodzinski Pictures at an 
Exhibition, a pitch change between the two parts of Beethoven's Coriolan 
Overture (Mitropoulos), repeated notes etc. But there's one recording where 
either they did play through or the side turned out to be too long, and the 78 
issue has a horrible fade up at the start of one side (Rodzinski, Under The 
Spreading Chestnut Tree).

Those 16-inch lacquers weren't totally quiet..I've heard surface noise from 
them on some lps as well as some 78s.

Oberstein seems to have used 16-inch lacquers as original source material as 
well. There are two quite different issues of Johnny Messner's "She Had to Go 
and Lose It at the Astor" which, when corrected for speed (one up and one 
down), prove to be the same recording. And a 45 RPM issue of Jan Peerce singing 
"Vesti la Giubba" is dubbed from a very scratchy 33rpm.

I don't want to know about that Benny Goodman pair of different takes Mr. Knox 
writes about.

dl

On 5/27/2011 3:02 PM, Michael Biel wrote:
> It is also important to know that they did not do extended performances
> on those 16-inch safeties although they could have.  They continued to
> record in the side-length.  Thus, when it came time for the Lp, they had
> to do side joins on everything.  They had NOT done what could really be
> considered as "preparation" for the Lp.
>
> Mike Biel  mbiel at mbiel.com
>
> On 5/27/2011 10:23 AM, David Lennick wrote:
>> 33rpm..they often contained material unintended for issue such as rehearsals
>> and breakdowns, since they started out as safeties covering entire sessions. I
>> don't know if they went to the full 15 minute maximum allowable, but I've heard
>> some pretty dull sides on chamber music recordings that were obviously from
>> near the center of the disc.
>>
>> dl
>>
>> On 5/27/2011 10:07 AM, Robert M. Bratcher Jr. wrote:
>>> Questions: Were 16 inch masters done at 78 or 33 rpm? If 33 then how many takes
>>> did they put on each side of a 16 inch disc? Maybe 2 or 3?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: David Lennick<dlennick at sympatico.ca>
>>> To: 78-L Mail List<78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
>>> Sent: Fri, May 27, 2011 8:22:46 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [78-L] Matrix Numbers Question
>>>
>>> Columbias from 1940 were all transferred from 16-inch originals (and later,
>>> tape) so the number would be the chosen take and the letter signifies the
>>> number of the transfer MADE from the original source. Decca indicates these as
>>> well, with the letter T and a number at the far right end of the matrix # (such
>>> as W88776T23 or something like that).
>>>
>>> dl
>>>
>>> On 5/27/2011 9:17 AM, 78records at cdbpdx.com wrote:
>>>> Greetings.  I am still a little fuzzy about the matrix numbers on records and
>>>> the meaning of all the numbers and letters.  For example, I have one record with
>>>> CO48881-1A and another with CO48881-1B.  Does the A and B mean different takes?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!  CDB
>