[78-L] Mae West - MezzoTone recordings

Sun May 22 11:11:20 PDT 2011

Which reminds me-Does anyone have any info on Josef Charnivasky? He's listed as co-composer on a few of West's tunes. He's not in the 1966 ASCAP directory.
 DJD
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Lenny Marvin is correct, my misreading of my own notes and the Living Era liner put Herman in there. Josef Cherniavsky is definitely credited on about half the 78 labels. The MezzoTone 78s look pre-1950 to me. How's this for a scenario? Cyclone existed only in 1947, put out only one of Mae's discs, and she retrieved the masters (or had licensed them) and put them out on two lps and one 78 set (I don't know if anyone has ever seen volume 2 on 78). Both lps are listed in one "Long Player" I have (November 1952) but not in any of the 1950 or 1951 Schwanns I have, nor anything later. Long Player lists them as Mezzotone 1 and Mezzotone 2, by the way.A note I filed away from The Blue Pages says that the twelfth side is by a female impersonator named Auntie Dorothy.dlOn 5/22/2011 9:14 AM, Han Enderman wrote:> Thomas, if you want them I can send images of the 6 Mezzotone 78 labels (100-102)> and of Cyclone 505 in 2 label versions. I have only seen album 11 and have never seen> anything else on Mezzotone (so album numbering started with 11, it seems).>> Apparently Cyclone is the orig. label, dated 1947 in ARLD, but at present only a single> Mae West 78 is known).> Mezzotone not in ARLD; can it be confirmed that Mezzotone 78s are from the 50s?> It would be interesting to have more precise info on the 45s.>> The band leader is Lenny MARVIN on 6 titles (not Herman).>> The Cyclone label has been discussed here (actually "there" on the old forum) and I saved> at least part of it. Interesting stuff. I'll reprint the info below (uncensored) for those interested.> Maybe someone has additional info by now?> I saved Cyclone label images (505-A/B; 608-A) in 2005/06 and have seen no other one> since then. Anyone has another one (or knows a website with info)?> Well, now that's a really rare jazz label.... forget those common Black Pattis....>> Han Enderman>> HERE IS reprinted CYCLONE info:>>> Subject: Cyclone Records - Peters Sisters, Budd Johnson, Buck and Bubbles>> From: Ray Funk>>>> I am trying to gather information on the obscure post-war label, Cyclone>> Records, that Sam Manning ran briefly in 1947 in New York, I recently found>> an advertisement for the label in the New York Amsterdam News and have>> gotten additional information from John Cowley and Howard Rye.>>>> I am interested if anyone has any copies of the records on this label. I am>> trying to get label jpegs and copies of recordings if possible.>>>> There was an ad for Cyclone Records, 1560 Broadway, Rm 805, NYC in the NY>> Amsterdam News July 26, 1947 p. 19 giving info on three releases>>>> 606-A PETERS SISTERS Money Power (S. Manning and A. Thenstead) Musical>> Settings by Adolph Thenstead's Antilleans>> 606-B BABY EDITH PETERS (Love) Plaything Of Fate (S. Manning and A.>> Thenstead) Musical Settings by Adolph Thenstead's Antilleans>>>> At least one or two copies of this release exist and I have gotten label>> scans>>>> I cannot find anyone who has the second one by Buck and Bubbles>>>> 608 A - Bubbles Turn Back the Clock>> 608 B - Buck Send Me My Overcoat>>>> Bob McGrath's the R&B Indies lists additional and partly contradictory info:>> 608 Same titles but credited to Budd Johnson& His Orchestra, perhaps they>> were the backing band>>>> The third on the ad is listed as>>>> 609 A - Budd Johnson My Heart's Doin' Time (instrumental)>> 612 B - Mary Stafford vocalist (with Budd Johnson) I Just Can't Find That>>>> These two titles have been reissued on>> The Chronological Classics Budd Johnson 1942-1954>>>> Bob McGrath's the R&B Indies also lists>>>> 609 Budd Johnson& His Orchestra: I Just Can't Find That Kind>> 610 (rev. 610) Budd Johnson& His Orchestra: Hybrid No. 5>>>> 611 Budd Johnson& His Orchestra: My Heart's Doing Time>> 612 (rev. 611) Budd Johnson& His Orchestra: My Heart's Doing Time>> (instrumental)>>>> Jan Evensmo, Budd Johnson solography in History of Jazz Tenor Saxophone,>> believes Johnson recorded at least 8 titles for Cyclone and has heard>>>> mx 614-A Twistology Cyclone 612>> mx 615-B Lonesome (Blues) Cyclone 609> ----------> There is a listing for it on page 435 of the 1947-48 Billboard Yearbook,> published in 1947:> "A subsidary of Antillian Music Features, Inc., Cyclone platters was formed> in January of the current year by Prexy Adolf Thenstad, V.P. and Gen. Mgr.> Sam Manning, Adv. Mgr. Leroy Collins, and Murry Spaan, Promotion Manager.> During the past year the firm has waxed a number of leading personalities of> show business, including Mae West, who signed a five-year pact with Cyclone,> Buck and Bubbles and Mantan Morland, top sepia vaudville personalities, plus> blues singer Mary Stafford and Budd Johnson's Orchestra. Recordings are> made under the supervision of Ken Macomber, musical director.">> There is a half page ad on page 252 which pictures a blank label format and> the label for 608-B "Send Me My Overcoat" although it is so small it is hard> to read anything but the song title and the trademark. The ad says> "Attention! Disk Jockeys and Distributors. They're great for juke boxes.> They're GREAT for Retail Stores." Six records are listed, and there is a> picture of each of the performers. 505, 606, 608, 609, 612, and 616.> Because the info in the ad is a little different than what has been listed> of several of these, I'll give what the ad says.>> 505-A Come Up and See Me Sometime Mae West> 505-B That's All, Brother, That's All Mae West> (This record is described in the ad as "Her first smash hit exclusive on> Cyclone Records." Does this mean that this is her first smash hit EVER, or> just the first one that was exclusive to Cyclone?????)>> 606-A Money Power vocal - Peters Sisters> 606-B Love, Plaything of Fate vocal - Baby Edith Peters> (They are described as "Heavyweight Champions of Harmony in 'CALYPSO> Swings.'")>> 608-A Turn Back the Clock Vocal - Bubbles> 608-B Send Me My Overcoat Vocal - Buck> Buck and Bubbles (Comedy Song Stylists)> International Stars of Radio - Stage and Screen>> 609-A My Heart's Doin' Time (instrumental)> Budd Johnson and "his Cyclone Instrumental All Stars">> 612-B I Just Can;t Find That Kind (Blues)> Mary Stafford (vocal) The Blues New Sweetheart> "Blues Stylist" With Budd Johnson's Cyclone All Stars>> 616 Laffin' Song (Baby, Stop Ticklin' Me)> What Did It Getcha!> Mantan (Birmingham) Morland> (described as His First Smash Hit!)>> I don't think I have ever seen any of these. I'll be sending a scan of the> ad directly to Ray Funk.>> Mike Biel mbiel at kih.net> -------------> Cyclone 608 was on ebay in March 2006 and I have the picture of the A side.> Credited to: Buck& Bubbles / Orchestra: Budd Johnson.>> I also have pictures of 505 by Mae West (in 2 label variants).> ARLD mentions 107 (6/47).> (he)> =====>>>>> I believe she recorded 11 titles that were issued in two albums on Mezzotone> (one might have been LP only, Mezzotone 21). There's a 12th side that is an> unidentified performer (identity and gender). I've had the first album on 78> and lp but only a dub of the second one. Living Era CD AJA 5604 has 9 of the 11> sides. The track you haven't listed is He's A Bad Man. All apparently date from> 1947 with groups led by Lenny Herman and Josef Cherniavsky. And one broken> Cyclone 78 was reported here years ago.>> I've filled in the numbers and the extra title as I have them.>> dl>> On 5/21/2011 3:10 PM, Thomas Stern wrote:>>>>>> I have noticed a commonality of titles included in the following releases:>>>> CYCLONE 506 - 78rpm>> MEZZOTONE - album 11 3-78rpm Album of Mae West Songs>> MEZZOTONE - album ?? 3-45rpm>> PR 22 - PROSCENIUM records W.C.Fields& Mae West LP>> DPC 718 - DEMAND PERFORMANCE cassette (Glendale, CA) 1986 Mae West Naughty But Wise>>>>>> QUESTIONS:>> Are these all derived from the MezzoTone recordings?>> What information is available about MezzoTone and Cyclone labels?>> Are there additional Cyclone Mae West releases?>> Can anyone provide complete session details for Mezzotone?>> What are the record numbers for the individual Mezzotone disks?>> Are there any CD issues of these Mae West recordings?>> What is known of Demand Performance?>> What other releases were on Demand Performance - were there LP's as well as cassettes?>>>> Here is the list of titles and releases:>>> My Man Friday Mezzotone Album 11(102A), 45rpm PR 22 DPC-718> Page 54 Mezzotone Album 11(102B) PR 22 DPC-718> Imaginary Love Mezzotone Album 11 (101B)> Frankie& Johnny Mezzotone Album 11 (100B) PR 22 DPC-718> Come Up& See Me Sometime Mezzotone Album 11 (100A) 45rpm Cyclone 505A PR 22 DPC-718> That's All Brother That's All Mezzotone Album 11 (101A) 45rpm Cyclone 505B PR 22 DPC-718> Slow Down Mezzotone Album 21 (LP) 45rpm? PR 22 DPC-718> Put It Off Until Tomorrow Mezzotone Album 21 (LP) 45rpm? PR 22 DPC-718> A Guy What Takes His Time Mezzotone Album 21 (LP) 45rpm?> Pardon Me For Loving and Running Mezzotone Album 21 (LP) PR 22 DPC-718> He's a Bad Man	Mezzotone Album 21 (LP)>>>> THANKS!>> Best wishes, Thomas.> <<<> _______________________________________________> 78-L mailing list> 78-L at klickitat.78online.com> http://klickitat.78online.com/mailman/listinfo/78-l>>_______________________________________________78-L mailing list78-L at klickitat.78online.comhttp://klickitat.78online.com/mailman/listinfo/78-l