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liked and treated his musicians very well indeed. He also paid them top
salaries.

But hey, Glenn Miller was a nasty drunk too, Johnny Mercer was downright
vile. There are too many to list. Of course one does not have to be a celeb
to be a bad drunk.

Jeff Sultanof

On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 6:34 PM, . <MLK402 at verizon.net> wrote:

>  Thomas DeLong kinda tainted my mind with his focus on Paul Whiteman's
> alleged nastiness when he was drinking - and he focused on the drinking,
> for
> that matter.  Don Rayno never mentions it, but includes quotes from Paul's
> musicians such as "I love this man".  Both are probably true.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeff Sultanof" <jeffsultanof at gmail.com>
> To: "78-L Mail List" <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 6:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [78-L] 25 years ago today
>
>
> > Show business has always been filled with real characters.
> >
> > There are a few who saw the nicer side of Goodman. In many cases, the
> > stories reflect that he was simply out of it and not focused on anything
> > but
> > his music. He did have some truly unpleasant relationships with certain
> > musicians, and his actions were often tactless. On the other hand, Tommy
> > Dorsey (Jimmy was a great drinking buddy) and most certainly Buddy Rich
> > could be downright cruel (although trumpeter/leader Dean Pratt thought
> > Buddy
> > was a sweetheart).
> >
> > Shaw was certainly one-of-a-kind, but I've never heard of a musician in
> > one
> > of his bands have a bad thing to say about him, interestingly enough. His
> > personal life was another story. In his case, the media attention
> > certainly
> > had an adverse effect on him. He never wanted to be famous, and he didn't
> > want his life examined in the press.
> >
> > I think I said earlier that the idea of black musicians joining Benny was
> > not due initially to Benny's progressive attitudes, but to John Hammond's
> > hounding him to hire certain musicians. Hammond was using Benny to break
> > the
> > popular music color line. Benny had misgivings initially about hiring
> > Teddy
> > Wilson, and he got around it by featuring Wilson with the small group, so
> > that it didn't look like he was a regular member of the band. Of course,
> > once no one really cared about it, he just incorporated Wilson and
> Hampton
> > into his big band.
> >
> > Jeff Sultanof
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 4:41 PM, Julian Vein
> > <julianvein at blueyonder.co.uk>wrote:
> >
> >> On 14/06/11 19:57, Taylor Bowie wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Jan Savitt had a black vocalist (George Tunnell,  aka Bon-Bon).  Not
> >> sure,
> >> > but I think he hired him even before Shaw hired Holiday.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Taylor
> >> Bon Bon recorded with Jan Savitt for the first time 18 Feb 1937.
> >> June Richmond recorded with Jimmy Dorsey 15+16 Mar 1938.
> >> Billie Holiday with Artie Shaw 24 Jul 1938 (if you ignore the session
> >> where he was a sideman for Billie).
> >>
> >>      Julian Vein
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