[78-L] Beach Boys 78s

[Cary Ginell]

Actually it was my family, not Steven's, that owned the '59 Hillman. 

Cary Ginell

> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 18:48:36 -0700
> From: danvanlandingham at yahoo.com
> To: 78-l at klickitat.78online.com
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Beach Boys 78s
> 
> Steven-I once owned a Webcor console stereo.Mine had a reel to reel recorder 
> built in.I never
> owned a Hillman,but I did own a 1950 Austin A 40 4 door sedan.Getting back to 
> needles,i've 
> 
> often wondered about damage done to LPs by the stylus of the cartridge as I 
> still have a few LPs
> that were issued in the early '50s(on Plymouth,Halo and Remington).Thanks again 
> for the technical
> information;I'm always learning something new from you people
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Michael Biel <mbiel at mbiel.com>
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> Sent: Tue, April 19, 2011 9:58:12 AM
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Beach Boys 78s
> 
> Ironically, some of the first stereo LPs in the spring of 1958 were 
> marketed as being "compatible".  Bob Angus discussed this about 5 years 
> ago and led me to some of the ads, articles, and actual records.  But by 
> the summer of 58 they started the don't-play-stereo-on-mono-players 
> stuff.  It was not so much the .7 mil vs 1.0 mil aspect, but the lack of 
> vertical compliance in mono cartridges.  When Columbia led the charge in 
> 1967 to compatibility as a reason for stopping the production of mono 
> records, they explained that they solve the problem by putting all of 
> the low bass sounds in the center channel even if the instrument 
> creating it was off to the side.  Bass under 100 Hz is basically 
> non-directional (that's why sub woofers work) and in the center channel 
> the needle direction is lateral.  The bass is the largest excursion part 
> of the groove, and it was the vertical modulation of bass that would 
> cause the most damage to a record played on a mono cartridge.  The 
> further away from center a sound is, the more vertical the modulation.
> 
> Mike Biel  mbiel at mbiel.com
> 
> On 4/18/2011 11:54 PM, Steven C. Barr wrote:
> > From: "Cary Ginell"<soundthink at live.com>
> >> Our first stereo unit was made by Webcor. My father traded his cousin for
> >> it. To get it, he had to give up a broken-down 1959 Hillman and our old
> >> swing set. I think the swing set outlasted the other two items. For some
> >> reason that I can't recall, I was under the impression that you couldn't
> >> play stereo records with a monaural needle because it would ruin the
> >> grooves. So the Webcor was used for our stereo LPs and we played all of
> >> our mono 45s and LPs on a Garrard RC 88, which I still have. I was 10 so
> >> what did I know?
> >>
> > The "needle thing" is and was fact...! LP grooves were 1 mil...but
> > "stereo" grooves were .7 mil. For most "record players" of the
> > sixties, playing a vinyl "stereo" disc (with .7 mil grooves( with a
> > regular 1-mil "mono" needle would neatly remove the "stereo"
> > details...so that the LP would still play fine in "mono" but one
> > could no longer hear "stereo!" I had that happen with a number
> > of LP's...!
> >
> > Steven C. Barr
> 
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