[78-L] Question 1812 Overture

Sat Apr 2 12:47:51 PDT 2011

I've never  owned any of those Mercury LPs save those which were in the "Living 
Presence" series which,if I'm not mistaken,were produced by a woman named 
Cozart.As for Obie and Varsity,did he
own the Wright Record Company?I have a couple of Louis Prima 78s of his on 
Varsity.As for the 

quality of '40s and '50s,I had a number of Godawful classical music LPs issued 
on the Plymouth label
as well as some on Royale,Halo and even a few Columbias that were just as 
bad.The latter must have
been from the late '40s.Those I had were dubbed from 78s.The sound quality was 
just horrible.

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From: David Lennick <dlennick at sympatico.ca>
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Subject: Re: [78-L] Question 1812 Overture

Okay, folks..comparing Varsity and Mercury LP transfers of the 1812 Overture, 
which are clearly the same recording. I've played up to the end of side 1 
(clearly audible since the last note is repeated intact on the Varsity and 
partially on the Mercury).

Varsity LP 31, VLP 6050, LP 6925 (all from same stampers): I've heard much 
worse. Some scuffs and clicks audible on the original 78s. Very little wow. EQ 
not great. LP surface noise, but I didn't hear hiss from the original 78s.

Mercury MG 15000: Better EQ and presence. Much wow and speed flux not 
associated with 78RPM playback. LP surface quieter but a bit gritty..hey, both 
issues are over 60 years old.

Unscientific test since I sampled only the first 4'05" of each disc.

dl

On 4/1/2011 11:49 PM, Robert M. Bratcher Jr. wrote:
> Well I've never owned any of the Oberstein label 78's. Nothing on one yet that 
>I
> wanted to buy, keep&  play. On the other hand my experience with  Varsity&  
>most
> other 50's era budget LP's is that they all used lower quality vinyl&  many 
>I've
> found have a lot of background hiss while the record is played. Oh&  what was
> that Varsity LP like as far as sound quality? Good, fair or what? Was there 
>much
> hiss in it that didn't come from the 78's they were dubbed from?
>
>
>
>
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> From: David Lennick<dlennick at sympatico.ca>
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> Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 9:47:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Question 1812 Overture
>
> The LP. I don't have proof that the Mengelberg 1812 Overture appeared on an
> Oberstein 78 issue (more likely on Royale, as well as Masterpiece, 
Philharmonic
> and other budget labels) since WERM goes to "etc." after listing the known
> major recordings, but the LP label refers to "Parts 1-4". Actually I don't 
find
> the surfaces so terrible on Obie's 78s in the early 40s. Certainly better than
> Decca.
>
> dl
>
> On 4/1/2011 8:34 PM, Robert M. Bratcher Jr. wrote:
>> So did you sample a Varsity 78 or a Varsity LP? Oh&  whats the shellac 
quality
>> of Varsity 78's like? More noisy than Victor&  Columbia 78's I'm sure.....
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 6:54:23 PM
>> Subject: Re: [78-L] Question 1812 Overture
>>
>> I think I sampled it once to confirm that it was the same recording, but
>> Varsity had more direct access to Telefunken 78s going back to the early 40s.
>> So they wouldn't have lifted the Mercury transfer.
>>
>> dl
>>
>> On 4/1/2011 7:29 PM, Robert M. Bratcher Jr. wrote:
>>> Yes I know the vinyl (on Varsity LP issues) is lousy. I just wanted to know
> if
>>> they used the Mercury transfer with the wow problem in it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> From: David Lennick<dlennick at sympatico.ca>
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>>> Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 4:53:51 PM
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>>>
>>> What, me listen to a Varsity issue?
>>>
>>> dl
>>>
>>> On 4/1/2011 4:57 PM, Robert M. Bratcher Jr. wrote:
>>>> But does the wow in the recording show up in the Varsity&  related labels?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> From: David Lennick<dlennick at sympatico.ca>
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>>>> Sent: Thu, March 31, 2011 5:35:34 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [78-L] Question 1812 Overture
>>>>
>>>> Mercury Classics dubs from Czech Masters almost ALWAYS wowed. What a waste.
>>> And
>>>> then they'd dub THOSE to lp rather than work from the originals again.
>>> Although
>>>> I remember the ten inch Mercury lp of the 1812 as sounding pretty
>> decent..they
>>>> didn't bother to eliminate the repeated notes between sides 2&  3 though.
>> That
>>>> same Mengelberg set turns up on Varsity and related labels.
>>>>
>>>> dl
>>
>
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