[78-L] Nobody Knows You When You're Down And Out - who wasthecomposer?

[Dan Van Landingham]

I heard  those Duke Ellington OKehs with Baby Cox when I was in college out here 
in the Coos
Bay-North Bend,Oregon area.She did a nice job imitating Bubber Miley's 
trumpet.Aside from 

"The Mooche" there was her performance on "Hot and Bothered".I wonder if those 
performances
appeared on the CD "The OKeh Ellington".I'm sure they were.I attended 
Southwestern Oregon
Community College in Coos Bay,Oregon between late 1970 and early 1972.I was a 
music major
at the time.




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wasthecomposer?

There is info available on the web about Jimmy Cox, unverifiable though it 
may be.  Again, his name seems to be spelled either Jimmie or Jimmy.  Here 
is one anonymous post that came up by searching.

"According to his 14 March 1925 obituary in the Chicago Defender, Jimmie 
Cox, known as vaudeville's "Black Charlie Chaplin," was born in Richmond, VA 
in 1882 and died in Washington D.C. in early March, 1925. His wife, Anna Mae 
Cox, took over his touring revue, the Georgia Red Hots, after his death. 
Jimmie's daugher, Baby Cox, starred in Fats Waller's "Hot Choclates" in 1929 
and "sang" on Duke Ellington's 1928 recording of 'The Mooche.'"

RayK

> According to  "Lissauer's Encyclopedia of Popular Music" words and music 
> by
> Jimmy Cox. 1923.
> (I can't find anything else on him either.)
> Al Simmons
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Tim Huskisson" <timhuskisson at btinternet.com>
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> Subject: [78-L] Nobody Knows You When You're Down And Out - who was
> thecomposer?
>
>
>> After reading of the death of Pinetop Perkins, my attention turned to his
>> inspiration, Pine-Top Smith. I had not realised that P.T. Smith had
>> recorded
>> 'Nobody Knows You When You're Down And Out' for Vocalion some four months
>> before Bessie Smith.
>>
>> But after searching the On-Line Discographical Project, I discovered
>> another
>> version by a vocal group - 'Aunt Jemima Novelty Four'.
>> If the sources are reliable, it would seem Bessie Smith's recording was
>> made
>> on May 15, 1929 and the other two versions, BOTH on Jan 1, 1929.
>> But who wrote the song? My British Parlophone issue gives the composer as
>> 'Jimmy Cox' (who I can find no information about), and (for Bessie's
>> version, the On-Line Discographical Project indicates IDA COX-B.FELDMAN
>> were
>> the composers. Were Jimmy and Ida related?
>>
>> But the 'Aunt Jemima Novelty Four' version was evidently composed by
>> Fugitte
>> - Burns. (Who were they?). Rust's 'Jazz Records' shows some 1929-1930
>> sessions for Brunswick and Gennett by vocal duettists 'PETE & REPEAT' (?
>> ___Fugitte and ? ___Bruns).
>>
>> To confuse the issue further, REDHOTJAZZ.COM indicates that Pine-Top
>> Smith,
>> himself, was the composer!
>>
>> Can anyone here shed any more light on the history of this song?
>> Many thanks,
>> Tim Huskisson
>>
>>
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