[78-L] 78-L Digest, Vol 27, Issue 34 -Rosie & Gene
Nigel Burlinson
burlinson at orange.fr
Fri Dec 17 06:59:45 PST 2010
Let's put this one to bed!
I was the lead discographer for the Clooney Bear Family box (and Doris Day,
Johnnie Ray, Dean Martin and Pat Boone).
The details I gave came from what is printed in the book that
accompanies the first box set and these, in turn, were compiled DIRECTLY
from the
AFM session sheets and Columbia's daily log of recordings. Unfortunately,
having moved twice since I compiled these sets I no longer have the actual
papers to hand.
However, anyone who has bought a box set from Bear Family will know how
much a stickler for accuracy Richard Weize is and this set and the others
were no exception!
Cary: I'm sure it's Rhino's error regarding the date - they didn't record it
twice!
David: The Rosemary Clooney discography that you refer to was compiled,
initially, from the Bear Family Boxes!
Mike: You are correct! MJV.149 is the 78rpm issue; if it was issued on 45rpm
it is MJV 4-149
ENOUGH ALREADY!
Nigel Burlinson
burlinson at orange.fr
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 12:08:29 -0800
> From: Cary Ginell <soundthink at live.com>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Gene Autry question
> To: <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
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> If the piece was recorded in Los Angeles, most likely Local 47 would have
> records as to what musicians were used in the orchestra. Bond and Cotner
> were part of Autry's regular band, so Columbia probably augmented them
> with studio musicians. Unless Bear Family, who had access to the Columbia
> files, took down those kinds of meticulous session details, you might have
> to retrace his steps. No Autry discography that I've seen has ever been
> that complete. Rhino's box set on Autry, which is where the tune is
> included, has virtually nothing relating to personnel (pretty slipshod if
> you ask me). They loaded up the booklet with testimonials as to how
> wonderful and influential Autry was, plus notes by Douglas P. Green, but
> nothing in addition to recording dates was listed.
>
> Cary Ginell
>
>> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 13:55:30 -0600
>> From: bmcclung78 at gmail.com
>> To: 78-l at klickitat.78online.com
>> Subject: Re: [78-L] Gene Autry question
>>
>> In 'Public Cowboy No. 1: The Life and Times of Gene Autry" (Oxford Univ
>> Press) it lists
>>
>> Johnny Bond, g; Carl Cotner, vn; unkn orch
>>
>> Hollywood, June 20, 1952
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 1:19 PM, Rockined1 <rockined1 at aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > I know I went to Praguefrank's website and that's all I found
>> >
>> > Ed
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Cary Ginell <soundthink at live.com>
>> > To: 78-l at klickitat.78online.com
>> > Sent: Thu, Dec 16, 2010 1:40 pm
>> > Subject: Re: [78-L] Gene Autry question
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ll I found was the recording date: November 29, 1952.
>> > Cary Ginell
>> > > To: 78-l at klickitat.78online.com
>> > Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 10:51:49 -0500
>> > From: rockined1 at aol.com
>> > Subject: Re: [78-L] Gene Autry question
>> >
>> >
>> > I need to know if anyone has a sessionagraphy of Gene Autry's COLUMBIA
>> > ecordings
>> >
>> > I am looking specifically for the personel on his duet with Rosemary
>> > Clooney
>> > n LOOK OUT THE WINDOW
>> >
>> > you can email me privately if you wish
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> >
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 21:23:10 +0100
> From: "Nigel Burlinson" <burlinson at orange.fr>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] 78-L Digest, Vol 27, Issue 33 - Gene & Rosie
> To: <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> Message-ID: <29AC68E1C10A49E4BFC19BE18FEC5F35 at burlinsonxp>
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> Gene & Rosie
>
> I have sent the full details "off list" but for others who want to know
> here they are again
>
> June 20 1952 ...20:30 to 23:30
> Radio Recorders 7000 Santa Monica Boulevard, Hollywood, California
>
> Rosemary Clooney, vocal; Gene Autry, vocal; Carl Cotner, leader; Johnny
> Bond, guitar;
> Charles Hurta, guitar; James O 'Jimmy' Wyble, guitar; Fred Whiting, bass;
> Eddie Forrest, drums; Robert E. Armstrong, piano; Herman C. Gunkler,
> clarinet;
> Donald Lazenby, clarinet; Eddie Ehlert, trumpet; Sam Leichter, violin;
> Billy Wright, violin
>
> Mx...RHCO.10198 THE NIGHT BEFORE CHRISTMAS SONG
> (John D. Marks, Cleve Grover Moore)
>
> Mx...RHCO.10199 LOOK OUT THE WINDOW (The Winter Song)
> (Lew Porter, Teepee Mitchell)
>
> Both titles were issued on Columbia 39876 & MJV 149 (the Columbia Kids
> label)
>
> Nigel Burlinson
> burlinson at orange.fr
> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 14:51:16 -0500
>> From: "kil" <kil at roadrunner.com>
>> Subject: Re: [78-L] Gene Autry question
>> To: "78-L Mail List" <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
>> Message-ID: <4EF019F499E844978D2D78A17701D9A5 at RAY1>
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>> reply-type=original
>>
>> They say there's more than one way to skin a cat. If you can't find a
>> Gene
>> Autry sessionography, how about a Rosemary Clooney sessionography.
>> It would probably be listed in the Bear Family release. I have the first
>> box set "Come On-a My House" which covers 1952 but it's not in there.
>> Bear
>> Family decided to collect all of her children's records together in the
>> second box set, "Memories of You". I don't have that one, but someone
>> else
>> might be able to help you.
>> RayK
>>>
>> From: "Rockined1"
>>> I need to know if anyone has a sessionagraphy of Gene Autry's COLUMBIA
>>> recordings
>>>
>>> I am looking specifically for the personel on his duet with Rosemary
>>> Clooney on LOOK OUT THE WINDOW
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 20:29:34 +0000
> From: Royal Pemberton <ampex354 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] 78-L Digest, Vol 27, Issue 33 - Gene & Rosie
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> Isn't MJV 149 the number for the 'set' (meaning the record and its special
> picture sleeve)? At the bottom of the labels is the number 90170-V.
>
>> >
>> > Message: 2
>> > Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 14:51:16 -0500
>> > From: "kil" <kil at roadrunner.com>
>> > Subject: Re: [78-L] Gene Autry question
>> > To: "78-L Mail List" <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
>> > Message-ID: <4EF019F499E844978D2D78A17701D9A5 at RAY1>
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>> > reply-type=original
>> >
>> > They say there's more than one way to skin a cat. If you can't find a
>> Gene
>> > Autry sessionography, how about a Rosemary Clooney sessionography.
>> > It would probably be listed in the Bear Family release. I have the
>> > first
>> > box set "Come On-a My House" which covers 1952 but it's not in there.
>> Bear
>> > Family decided to collect all of her children's records together in the
>> > second box set, "Memories of You". I don't have that one, but someone
>> else
>> > might be able to help you.
>> > RayK
>> >>
>> > From: "Rockined1"
>> >> I need to know if anyone has a sessionagraphy of Gene Autry's COLUMBIA
>> >> recordings
>> >>
>> >> I am looking specifically for the personel on his duet with Rosemary
>> >> Clooney on LOOK OUT THE WINDOW
>> >
>> >
>> >
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> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 12:55:24 -0800
> From: Cary Ginell <soundthink at live.com>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] 78-L Digest, Vol 27, Issue 33 - Gene & Rosie
> To: <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> Message-ID: <BLU142-W15E49E8E20EA485E3DFB72B0150 at phx.gbl>
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> The date differs from what is in the Rhino Autry box. Was there another
> session that included this song? Or could it have been Rhino's error
> (wouldn't be the first time).
>
> Cary Ginell
>
>
> > ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 23:20:03 -0500
> From: David Lennick <dlennick at sympatico.ca>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Gene Autry question
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> From the Rosemary Clooney discography, and it's not much help:
>
> JUNE 20, 1952 ROSEMARY CLOONEY: vocal; GENE AUTRY: vocal; CARL COTNER
> leader
>
> RHCO 10198 THE NIGHT BEFORE CHRISTMAS SONG Co 39876; MJV 149 RHCO 10199
> LOOK
> OUT THE WINDOW (The Winter Song) Co 39876; MJV 149
>
> dl
>
> On 12/16/2010 2:51 PM, kil wrote:
>> They say there's more than one way to skin a cat. If you can't find a
>> Gene
>> Autry sessionography, how about a Rosemary Clooney sessionography.
>> It would probably be listed in the Bear Family release. I have the first
>> box set "Come On-a My House" which covers 1952 but it's not in there.
>> Bear
>> Family decided to collect all of her children's records together in the
>> second box set, "Memories of You". I don't have that one, but someone
>> else
>> might be able to help you.
>> RayK
>>>
>> From: "Rockined1"
>>> I need to know if anyone has a sessionagraphy of Gene Autry's COLUMBIA
>>> recordings
>>>
>>> I am looking specifically for the personel on his duet with Rosemary
>>> Clooney on LOOK OUT THE WINDOW
>>
>> ________________________________________
>
>
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> Message: 11
> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 23:23:16 -0500
> From: David Lennick <dlennick at sympatico.ca>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Gene Autry question
> To: 78-L Mail List <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
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>
> Okay, so I just got home and hadn't read all the other posts with the
> complete
> personnel.
>
> dl
>
> On 12/16/2010 11:20 PM, David Lennick wrote:
>>
>> From the Rosemary Clooney discography, and it's not much help:
>>
>> JUNE 20, 1952 ROSEMARY CLOONEY: vocal; GENE AUTRY: vocal; CARL COTNER
>> leader
>>
>> RHCO 10198 THE NIGHT BEFORE CHRISTMAS SONG Co 39876; MJV 149 RHCO 10199
>> LOOK
>> OUT THE WINDOW (The Winter Song) Co 39876; MJV 149
>>
>> dl
>>
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>
>>
>> dl
>>
> It didn't help that the subject line had been changed to that of the
> digest. But Nigel never did give us the source of that great info. And
> Royal is right that the MJV number is the "set" (even though it is only
> one disc) and that the dash V number is the record number. So it should
> read "Co 90170-V in MJV 149". Co 39876 is probably the pop red label
> issue.
>
> Mike Biel mbiel at mbiel.com
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 8:23 PM, Nigel
> Burlinson<burlinson at orange.fr>wrote:
>
>
>> Gene& Rosie
>>
>> I have sent the full details "off list" but for others who want to know
>> here they are again
>>
>> June 20 1952 ...20:30 to 23:30
>> Radio Recorders 7000 Santa Monica Boulevard, Hollywood, California
>>
>> Rosemary Clooney, vocal; Gene Autry, vocal; Carl Cotner, leader; Johnny
>> Bond, guitar;
>> Charles Hurta, guitar; James O 'Jimmy' Wyble, guitar; Fred Whiting,
>> bass;
>> Eddie Forrest, drums; Robert E. Armstrong, piano; Herman C. Gunkler,
>> clarinet;
>> Donald Lazenby, clarinet; Eddie Ehlert, trumpet; Sam Leichter, violin;
>> Billy Wright, violin
>>
>> Mx...RHCO.10198 THE NIGHT BEFORE CHRISTMAS SONG
>> (John D. Marks, Cleve Grover Moore)
>>
>> Mx...RHCO.10199 LOOK OUT THE WINDOW (The Winter Song)
>> (Lew Porter, Teepee Mitchell)
>>
>> Both titles were issued on Columbia 39876& MJV 149 (the Columbia Kids
>> label)
>>
>> Nigel Burlinson
>> burlinson at orange.fr
>
>
>
>>> On 12/16/2010 2:51 PM, kil wrote:
>>>> They say there's more than one way to skin a cat. If you can't find a
>>>> Gene
>>>> Autry sessionography, how about a Rosemary Clooney sessionography.
>>>> It would probably be listed in the Bear Family release. I have the
>>>> first
>>>> box set "Come On-a My House" which covers 1952 but it's not in there.
>>>> Bear
>>>> Family decided to collect all of her children's records together in the
>>>> second box set, "Memories of You". I don't have that one, but someone
>>>> else
>>>> might be able to help you.
>>>> RayK
>>>> From: "Rockined1"
>>>>> I need to know if anyone has a sessionagraphy of Gene Autry's COLUMBIA
>>>>> recordings
>>>>>
>>>>> I am looking specifically for the personel on his duet with Rosemary
>>>>> Clooney on LOOK OUT THE WINDOW
>>>>
>
> Message: 19
> Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 07:12:06 -0500
> From: Rockined1 <rockined1 at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Gene Autry question
> To: 78-l at klickitat.78online.com
> Message-ID: <8CD6BFAC1F609C8-788-1AAA at webmail-d006.sysops.aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>
> Thanks I got what I needed. My friend seemed to think that Frankie
> Yankovic or one of his band members was involved with this recording
> because his name had turned up on a session card having to do with this
> paritcular recording--yeah strange I know but I did what I could to help
> out.
>
> Ed
>
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